Multiculturalism here to stay

[Aptrgangr]

Multiculturalism here to stay

"The future development of the Nordic welfare state is dependent on strong cultural diversity," was one of the main points discussed at the 'Cultural Diversity in The Nordic Region' conference which opened in Oslo on Wednesday.
Accept cultural differences and strengthen the multicultural society. Researchers, artists and politicians from the whole of the Nordic Region agreed that those are just two of the challenges that the populations of the Nordic countries face today, if we are to develop the welfare model yet further and keep pace with global developments.
"The Nordic Region has always been multicultural. And we should not be afraid of major conflicts of interest. Quite the contrary, in fact. We must learn to enjoy cultural diversity, derive strength from and draw attention to our differences, and exploit the many fantastic opportunities inherent in the meeting with new cultures and idioms," said Norwegian Minister of Culture Trond Giske.
The minister stressed that cultural diversity is also a major political issue and entails the risk of religious strife. Halldór Ásgrímsson, Secretary General of the Nordic Council of Ministers, also addressed that issue.
"Even though most of use here agree that cultural diversity enriches us, there has never been greater need for tolerance and understanding between different cultures than today," he said.
"Our ambition must be build the foundations for a broader and more composite cultural life, which reflects the Nordic countries' complex and multicultural societies," he added before quoting the Iranian author Chahdortt Djavan, who said:"What I respect is not other peoples' faiths, but their right to believe what they want to believe."
"I believe that in our contemporary society, with its mixture of Christians, Muslims and many other religions, we have to take these words seriously," Ágrímsson concluded.

Nordisk råd / Nordisk ministerråd

The "Destroy Nordic Heritage Conference" is completly wrong. The more foreigners come into the country, the sooner the native Nordic heritage is replaced by the new "culture". As soon as the Muslims have become the majority liberalism, democracy and the welfare state will all end, of course. Now, getting rid of the first two aspects would not be sad at all, but this replacement goes along along with an ethnic change and replacing one tyranny with another is completely undesirable.The claim the Nordic region always had been multicultural is a lie, since the concept of multiculturalism was invented by the liberals that have been in power for a few decades - it is their dictatorship that ruins in some decades what has been built over centuries...
Either we manage to get free or everything turns into a mudhole - either way multiculturalism will be over.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Nordisk råd / Nordisk ministerråd

The "Destroy Nordic Heritage Conference" is completly wrong. The more foreigners come into the country, the sooner the native Nordic heritage is replaced by the new "culture". As soon as the Muslims have become the majority liberalism, democracy and the welfare state will all end, of course. Now, getting rid of the first two aspects would not be sad at all, but this replacement goes along along with an ethnic change and replacing one tyranny with another is completely undesirable.The claim the Nordic region always had been multicultural is a lie, since the concept of multiculturalism was invented by the liberals that have been in power for a few decades - it is their dictatorship that ruins in some decades what has been built over centuries...
Either we manage to get free or everything turns into a mudhole - either way multiculturalism will be over.

Modern concept of multiculturalism was originally invented by the British Empire. All world, different peoples, cultures, races etc. living under the aegis of one great Empire, "where sun never sets," under one crown (Victoria was crwned empress of India, like all other kings that followed her!) The futile dream of a "heaven on earth". Modern liberal-lefties just took it over later on.

[Menydh]

A very worrying thing is that this argument..

"The future development of the Nordic welfare state is dependent on strong cultural diversity"

... is used widely to justify immigration and people seem to accept it as a valid argument.

It is very worrying not because it is false (the welfare state will go bankrupt due to immigrants and their families abusing it.. that was made clear on that text that Breha post days ago).

It is worrying because its success as an argument means that people are willingly trading their identity and the heritage of their sons for a blurry promise of well being.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Modern concept of multiculturalism was originally invented by the British Empire. All world, different peoples, cultures, races etc. living under the aegis of one great Empire, "where sun never sets," under one crown (Victoria was crwned empress of India, like all other kings that followed her!) The futile dream of a "heaven on earth". Modern liberal-lefties just took it over later on.

I see your point, but if you wish you also could say the Roman Empire was the inventor of multiculturalism.
In fact back in the 19th century noone - except some French and American theoretists - believed in race equality. In fact the British empire wanted to convince other cultures, which were considered as inferiour without exception, to follow the "British" way of live, the British imperialists wanted to teach "civilization". Today's multiculturalists are keen to import any foreign culture and customs into our land and teach us to be tolerant towards any crap foreigners do, and to obey foreign laws - the Sharia law e.g. is partly legal here in FRG (bigamy etc.)

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It is worrying because its success as an argument means that people are willingly trading their identity and the heritage of their sons for a blurry promise of well being.

That's true, modern Western man is a whore. The welfare state as we see it today can not be maintained any longer, debts are too high. People vote for these liberal parties because it is them promising the continuousness of this welfare state - and accpt the fact this is bought with hight debts that have to be payed later, but not right now.
It is fact the pension insurances in Germany no longer can pay the pensions, that's why every year billions of € have to be transferred to the insurances from the federal budget. Politicans say Germany needs more foreigners that pay money into the insurances - they failed to explain how how those living from benefits often enough should be able to pay money into this system...

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

A very worrying thing is that this argument..... is used widely to justify immigration and people seem to accept it as a valid argument.

It is very worrying not because it is false (the welfare state will go bankrupt due to immigrants and their families abusing it.. that was made clear on that text that Breha post days ago).

It is worrying because its success as an argument means that people are willingly trading their identity and the heritage of their sons for a blurry promise of well being.

I do recall reading somewhere about a person selling their inheritance for 'a mess of pottage'.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I see your point, but if you wish you also could say the Roman Empire was the inventor of multiculturalism.
In fact back in the 19th century noone - except some French and American theoretists - believed in race equality. In fact the British empire wanted to convince other cultures, which were considered as inferiour without exception, to follow the "British" way of live, the British imperialists wanted to teach "civilization". Today's multiculturalists are keen to import any foreign culture and customs into our land and teach us to be tolerant towards any crap foreigners do, and to obey foreign laws - the Sharia law e.g. is partly legal here in FRG (bigamy etc.)

That is ideology that evolved gradually, through a long period of time.

And your reference to the Roman Empire fits here, because Brits were actually trying to imitate Rome.

It is an ideology that has two varieties:

1. assimilationism - ie. that what you mentioned: forcing all the peoples of the world to follow the British (Western, European, whatever) way;

2. multiculturalism pure and simple - various cultures coexisting together, "tolerance"

It depends on the will of the forces that rule anglo-western world, which variety will be applied at which point of time. Sometimes the first approach is favoured, sometime the second one...

It is up to their (ie. of the world's rulers') evaluation on which of these two approaches furthers their agenda better at a certain point of time.

It seems we are living in the period in which the second approach is preferred.