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by Douglas Birch

August 2, 2007


A Russian mini-submarine was lowered into the water yesterday from the research vessel Akademik Fedorov to perform test dives in the Arctic Ocean. Scientists plan to stake their claim on the seafloor by dropping a metal capsule carrying the Russian flag onto the seabed.


MOSCOW (AP) – Two deep-diving Russian miniature submarines today descended more than 2 1/2 miles to the ocean floor beneath the North Pole, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.


The expedition leader, Artur Chilingarov, who was abroad one MIR 1 three-person sub, told colleagues on a research ship on the surface that his craft had reached the seabed.


"The landing was smooth, the yellowish ground is around us, no sea dwellers are seen," he said, according to Tass.


In a feat mixing science, exploration and the scramble for potential oil and gas fields, crews of the MIR 1 and MIR 2 are engaged in what Russian authorities called the first dive to the ocean floor at Earth's northernmost point.


The crew of the MIR 1 planned to drop a titanium capsule containing the nation's flag on the bottom, symbolically claiming almost half of the planet's northern polar region for Moscow.


The Rossiya atomic icebreaker plowed a path to the pole through a sheet of multiyear ice, clearing the way for the Akademik Fedorov research ship to follow, said Sergei Balyasnikov, a spokesman for the Arctic and Antarctic research institute that prepared the expedition.


"For the first time in history, people will go down to the seabed under the North Pole," Mr. Balyasnikov said. "It's like putting a flag on the moon."


The voyage, led by polar explorer and Russian legislator Artur Chilingarov, has some scientific goals, including the study of Arctic plants and animals. But its chief goal appears to be advancing Russia's political and economic influence by strengthening its legal claims to the huge gas and oil deposits thought to lie beneath the Arctic seafloor.

The planting of the flag is purely symbolic. Two Americans — medical doctor Frederick A. Cook and Navy civil engineer Robert E. Peary — each claimed to have been first to plant a flag in the ice above the North Pole in 1908 and 1909 respectively.



Regardless which, if either, first marked the spot, the act had no bearing in international law and was meaningless because the pack ice over the pole is in constant motion across the surface of the Arctic Ocean.



More significantly, Russia hopes to use geologic data being gathered by expedition scientists to prop up its claims to more than 460,000 square miles of the Arctic shelf — which, by some estimates, may contain 10 billion tons of oil and gas deposits.



About 100 scientists aboard the Akademik Fedorov are specifically looking for evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge — a 1,240-mile underwater mountain range that crosses the polar region — is a geologic extension of Russia, and therefore can be claimed by it under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.



The subs also will collect specimens of Arctic plants and animals and videotape the dives.



The expedition reflects an intense rivalry among Russia, the United States, Canada and other nations whose shores face the polar ocean for the Arctic's icebound riches.



The State Department noted that Russia has not made public the research purportedly backing its position and said the best available scientific evidence suggests the ridges in question are oceanic by nature "and thus not part of any country's continental shelf."



"While the United States remains skeptical, we have not had the opportunity to examine any of the recently obtained data," said Leslie Phillips, a department spokeswoman. "We wish the Russian scientists a safe expedition."



Moscow has claimed the polar region since at least the days of the Bolsheviks. It argued to the United Nations in 2002 that geological data backed up this claim. The U.N. rejected Moscow's application then, citing lack of evidence, but Russia is set to resubmit it in 2009.



The U.S. Senate has not ratified U.S. accession to the Law of the Sea, which would give Washington a seat on the panel that will consider and eventually rule on the Russian claim.



Miss Phillips said the Bush administration would continue to press hard for ratification in order to give the United States a voice on the commission.



The Russians are not the only ones eyeing the Arctic seabed. Denmark hopes to prove that the Lomonosov Ridge is an extension of the Danish territory of Greenland, not Russia. Canada, meanwhile, plans to spend $7 billion to build and operate up to eight Arctic patrol ships in a bid to help protect its sovereignty.



Congress is considering an $8.7 billion budget reauthorization bill for the U.S. Coast Guard that includes $100 million to operate and maintain the nation's three polar icebreakers. The bill also authorizes the Coast Guard to construct two new vessels.
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Wise move for them... Trying to get the resources up there I am imagining.
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They'll have to contend with Canada and Norway for that territory in any case...
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Um yes. Those Americans are really annoying. They go through the Northwest Passage (Canadian waters) without asking permission. It makes me angry.

There is only a small part of the United States in the Arctic, so they should realise it doesn't really all belong to them. Gr.

And don't even get me started on those Danes...
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Why doesn't the Canadian government do anything?
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The MIR 1 and MIR 2, delivered in 1987, were designed and built by the Finnish company Rauma Repola.

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Why doesn't the Canadian government do anything?
They complain.

You see if we used our superior Arctic troops to destroy American shipping, they wouldn't be too happy, and having superior (supposedly) military force (at least in numbers... not in quality ), they'd attack. Or something.

There have been many things that Americans have done to Canada that have only been complained about.
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The Russians are claiming the North Pole?The USSR is back!It brings a delicious Cold War flavor in the air ...Well,better them than the U.S...Washington will be left no choice but to invade Canada in order to overtake its oil and water stocks.
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Sub reaches bottom of Arctic Ocean in bid to claim resource-rich region



Russian miniature submarines are seen under water in the Arctic Ocean in this image taken from a television broadcast on Thursday.

Updated: 5:47 a.m. ET Aug. 2, 2007


MOSCOW - A Russian submersible reached the bottom of the Arctic Ocean on Thursday in a mission to symbolically claim the resource-rich region by planting a flag on the seabed under the North Pole, Russian media reported.

Two Russian submersibles started their dive from an ice hole near the North Pole and dived about 13,980 feet, Itar-Tass news agency reported, citing its correspondent on board a support ship.

The second submersible was expected to reach the seabed soon, Vesti-24 television station reported.
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Finnish Ilta-Sanomat published pictures where video footage from Russian north pole expedition was compared to the James Cameron film Titanic (1997). A match was found:



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This story contains file shots of Russia's MIR submersible. The story also contains video of a submersible which was shot during the search for the Titanic in the Atlantic.

File identifiers were inadvertently left off the story. The story has been reposted with captions denoting the file footage.

Aug. 2 - Russia has planted a flag on the seabed directly under the North Pole in a move seen as a symbolic claim on the resource rich region
Canada dismissed the move, saying the tactic was more suited to the 15th century than the real world.


Canada is one of five states with territory inside the Arctic Circle.
Under international law the five, which also includes the U.S. Denmark and Norway, have a 320 km (200 mile) economic zone beyond their land borders.


But Moscow is hoping to establish that Russia and the North Pole are part of the same continental shelf, which could allow Russia to claim sovereignty over the energy-rich region.


Helen Long reports.
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So, it was possible to take pictures during the expedition to Titanic, but there is no footage about the expedition to the north pole (else than footage on the of the ship) or planting the flag?

One may start to think, what else is forged in this expedition?!? Most likely they did not reach the bottom of sea and neither the flag was planted.

Well, there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the U.S flag was erected on the moon etc etc etc.... so why not a Russian flag on the north pole too
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It's Russia's property, everyone knows it, they're just making it official.
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Why is that?
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It's Russia's property, everyone knows it, they're just making it official.
Ah, you see, technically it is not. The sector principle is not constituted in any international acts, so the USSR's one-sided act of 1926 is just a declaration of intention to exercise some jurisdiction over that part of the Arctic. Thus, the question still requires legal and political international settlement. Anyway, nothing can be done to make Arctic waters territory of any state. Nothing to say about the Pole itself.
But I've got my reply to Canada and the States. They are talking about some international specialization or something... Then they need no Arctic resourses!
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