Serbia, a future tiger economy

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Most people react the same to the lure of the Tiger.
Who doesn't feel pride and optimism when told that your country will soon become wealthy and have a good economy.

But be not decieved.....this is a carrot with a stick following close behind.

Wait until the EU begins it's propoganda campaign in Serbia

It already has. Luckily Serbia has only seen a stick and no promised carrots. The pro-EU president Boris Tadic himself during a campaign event said "EU membership has become a liability for Serbia." The Eu promised us the liftingvisa restrictions, nothing has happenned and now it's easier for every one except maybe North Koreans and Iranians to travel to Europe compared to Serbia (although I am lucky to have dual Canadian citizenship). The EU forced reforms have had more negative effect then positives. The EU's campaigns in Serbia are failing badly, their propaganda is no longer working. I remember reading that the government appointed manager of the EU membership propaganda campaign stated in an interview for a major western newspaper that 70% of the questions she recieves regarding the EU are along the following lines: "Why should we do as the EU stays, after we send Mladic they're just going to make more and more demands that will cause problems for us?"

Serbia will also never join EU. Serbia has a history of trying to resist bigger powers and EU is a big power pushing us around. We were part of the non-alligned movement (Tito created it, he was a Croat but Serbs were big supporters of this movement), we refused to have a Germanic prince imposed on us and I'm pretty sure if we ever join the EU we will be last or second last country to join.

Another reason we will not join the EU is that our government is looking east to the emerging economies of Russia, China and India.

[Gladstone]

The AP analysis concludes that growing nationalism is Serbia’s major impediment.

A telling quote from the article.

The 'tiger' business, particularly in Europe, is to simply get peoples 'plugged in' to the world order they're building. The flush of economic growth initially experienced is the money being spent to build up the infra-structure for the purpose, the everyday people of the country getting the crumbs more or less of the vast profits being made by a relative few amongst the elites.

From the multi-culturalists point of view this is about establishing control, money being their tool for this purpose, and the source of their power.

[Marcus Marulus]

The essence is: there is no general recipe for successful economy, which could be applied in the whole world. Economic policy should take in consideration every respective country's specificities, like historical heritage, mentality etc. And the most important of all: economy should never become the first thing, the only concern of any country's government. It should never become some sort of god that everyone worships. Economy is important, yes, I don't deny the obvious fact, but not the most imporatnt thing. Preservation of national identity and integrity should always be above economic concerns.

The term tiger was originally forged to denote East Asian economies. Later this tiger, as Milesian already pointed, moved into Ireland. Now he is going south east, to Serbia, in search of new prey. It is the globalization's attempt to take control of resources (and of the souls) of all nations. East Asian countries, those original tigers, at least never abandoned basic tenets of common morality. But in Europe, with its rampant and all-pervading and devastating liberal individualism, things are very likely to look quite different.

Maybe a self-sustainable economy, with a degree of autarky (self-sufficiency) is a better solution than letting the multinationals take over your country? I know, some of other members of this board could laugh at this statement of mine, using an argument like: "Are you nuts? No-one can be self-sufficient these days, since the world is so connected and intertwined." Of course, I don't mean any sort of North Korea-like isolation as a valable solution, but when I say autarky, I mean that as a general principle, an ideal to strive for, and I understand that it is impossible (nor desirable) to enact it fully, totally and without reserve.

The principle of free trade must be abandoned. Why should any country import, for example, food if it has enough resources to produce enough of it for its own needs?

And I agree that tourism is a sort of prostitution. When I hear somewhere that Croatia has been declared this or that year's top destination or something like that, I am not particularly thrilled by it, I don't think it is something very dignified for any country. I am not against tourism as such (it brings some money, although it is questionable how much it benefits any country on the long term), but overestimating or over-emphasizing it is counterproductive and humiliating.

[Franze]

I hope that Serbia will grow, but they have to be vigilant for their bad consequences, countries like Spain or Ireland are a show.
Grow but don´t sell your soul!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by prometheus

And I agree that tourism is a sort of prostitution. When I hear somewhere that Croatia has been declared this or that year's top destination or something like that, I am not particularly thrilled by it, I don't think it is something very dignified for any country. I am not against tourism as such (it brings some money, although it is questionable how much it benefits any country on the long term), but overestimating or over-emphasizing it is counterproductive and humiliating.

There is nothing wrong with cultural tourism. But this has nothing to do with degraded mass tourism as enviewed by Thomas Cook.

Foreign tourism and services here are becoming a source for demand of immigrant labour. It's the cheap factor.

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

There is nothing wrong with cultural tourism. But this has nothing to do with degraded mass tourism as enviewed by Thomas Cook.

That sort of "tourism" has many supporters in Northern Europe. No idea why.
One these gyus reach the beach and start to behave like unruly gypsy children.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

There is nothing wrong with cultural tourism. But this has nothing to do with degraded mass tourism as enviewed by Thomas Cook.

When I said "tourism," I was precisely referring to this degraded mass tourism and not to the cultural tourism.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by prometheus

When I said "tourism," I was precisely referring to this degraded mass tourism and not to the cultural tourism.

Cultural tourism leads to degraded mass tourism. The people who go visit some isolated Amerindian tribe in the Amazon will eventually lead to mass tourism that will destroy the region.

I know Greeks who say that they want Greece to have absolutely no tourism since in their view it causes moral degradation, the copying of foreign tourists ideals and morals and having an economy to dependant on tourism like Greece in their view causes countries to be less developed.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Those statistics are rather inaccurate. 2006 we ranged 99th in the world with a GDP per capita of $5,730. If Kosovo is exluded it rises to over $6,000 since in Kosovo it is something between $730 ro $1400 and they have 2 million citizens versus Serbia's 8 million. Not only that the 2006 figure is inaccurate also since it also factor's in Montenegro whose GDP per capita is only $3800, it's population is around 700,000.

So basically, the GDP per capita measurement here is PPP:
- Our GDP per capita is $5,730 if Kosovo and Montenegro are included.
- If rises to $5,865 if Montenegro is exluded.
- If both Montenegro and Kosovo are excluded it rises to close to $7,150.

Still pretty low but not that far behind recent EU members Romania and Bulgaria and pretty impressive for only 6 years after the fall of Milosevic (a terrible economist), several years of the worst economic isolation in history, a nato bombing, and even more years of a lesser number of sanctions till on goin and at the same time being a country still relatively isolated in the world economically.

Even if we are $7,150 we would still be only ranked 87th in the world between Gabon and Algeria.

My best wishes to the serbian lions. As we can see a liberal mindset is not a factor of economic growth,a s our priests of political correctness are preaching ad nauseam. A nationalist county can be economically sound too, without having the problems of the liberal run brothel countries.

[Franze]

I like a lot of tourism, I don´t think that it´s so negative, it´s negative the goverments not the tourism.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Peter

I like a lot of tourism, I don´t think that it´s so negative, it´s negative the goverments not the tourism.

Nothing wrong with cultural tourism as such, as I said.

But I say, problems arise when tourism is over-emphasized, when it is pushed to the expense of everything else.

Tourism as such is originally an invention of the European Christendom, it comes the medieval pilgrimages.