Ukrainian anthropologists on Slavs

[Ross]

F.K. Volkov (Vovk):

Ukrainians, as well as Southern and Western Slavs are Slavs not only by the language, but also by their anthropological type, while Russians, Belorussians and Poles, evidently are Slavs only by the language.

Source: Volkov F. Anthropological features... P. 452-453

[Ross]

Українці належать до динарського або українського антропологічного типу, який постав 6 тисяч років тому. До нього належать інші слов’янські народи: серби, словаки, словени, хорвати, чехи, чорногорці. Поляки, білоруси та москвини, які також говорять слов’янськими мовами, належать до іншого, так званого віслянського типу. А це означає, що вони мають інший генетичний код і є такими ж слов’янами, як негри Америки - європейцями. Кілька слов’янських племен, помандрувавши у 5-6 століттях на землі сучасної Польщі, передали примітивним автохтонам слов’янську мову, але самі розчинилися в морі тубільного населення. Утворився народ «поляки», який говорить слов’янською мовою, має елементи слов’янської культури, але інший антропологічний (генетичний) тип, а отже й іншу, ніж справжні слов’яни, психологію поведінки, яка відзначається агресивністю, жорстокістю та нетерпимістю до сусідів, пихою та гонором, як компенсація за нестачу розумових здібностей. Велику роль в генезі поляків відіграли жорстокі й хижі тюрські племена обрів та лєхів, які в кінці 6 ст. пройшли Південною Україною, осіли на Півдні Польщі й за два століття розчинилися серед місцевого населення. Зважаючи на те, що ляхи та москвини мають однаковий антропологічний тип, а москвини постали від угро-фінів, приходимо до висновку, що від них же походять і поляки. Не випадково історик Б.Рибаков розмістив андрофагів Геродота на теренах сучасної Польщі. Насправді андрофаги жили в малопрохідних лісах та болотах на Півночі Європи між Віспою та Уралом. Сталість антропологічного типу свідчить, що маса народу, а отже й основи його поведінки, не змінилися.


Куліш А.Ф. Пам’яти українців. Науково-пізнавальний посібник. Харьків: «Просвіта», 2000

Ukrainians belong to the Dinaric or the Ukrainian anthropological type, which appeared 6 thousand years ago. Also to this type belong other Slavic peoples: Serbs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Croats, Czechs and Montenegrins. Poles, Belarussians and Moskvins [Russians] who also speak Slavic languages belong to the different, the so called Visla type. And it means, that they have a different genetical code and are as Slavic as American Negros are European. A few Slavic tribes inhabiting (?) in 5-6th centures lands of contemporary Poland transmitted to promitive arboriginals the Slavic language, but disappeared in masses of local (?) population. So appeared a people of Poles, which speaks a Slavic language, has some elements of Slavic culture but a different anthropological (genetical) code, and psychology different from that of the real Slavs, which is charactarized by aggressiveness, cruelty and intolerance to neighbours and arrogance...which has to be viewed as compensation for the lack of intelligence. Great role in ethnogenesis of Poles was played by cruel... Turkic tribes of Avars and Lekhiv... Taking into account, that Poles and Moskvins [Russians] have the same anthropological type, and that Moskvins [Russians] derive from Ugro-Finns, we have to acknowledge (?) that Poles also derive from Ugro-Finns...

Kulish. To memory of Ukrainians. Kharkiv. 2000

[bocian]

LOL, good stuff!

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Kulish

Ukrainians belong to the Dinaric or the Ukrainian anthropological type, which appeared 6 thousand years ago. Also to this type belong other Slavic peoples: Serbs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Croats, Czechs and Montenegrins. Poles, Belarussians and Moskvins [Russians] who also speak Slavic languages belong to the different, the so called Visla type. And it means, that they have a different genetical code and are as Slavic as American Negros are European.

Wow, this analogy appears somewhat extrem to me...

Does it mean those who believe they're the "authentic" slavs (an Ukrainian here/a Russian there), despise the slavicized slavs? Since it has overall an ethnocultural meaning, it shouldn't matter, no?

Maybe this guy should visit the western part of Europe to realize how many things slavics have in common. He definitely need more negroes walking in his streets, then maybe he'll understand how stupid is his statement.

[Bogatyr]

Originally Posted by bocian

LOL, good stuff!

Well you know the Ukrainians always know better so you better accept that you are actualy a Fin just like me. Owh and don't forget the Ukrainians who sometimes look more swarty then Tatars are pure Aryan Slavs.

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Ross

F.K. Volkov (Vovk):

Ukrainians, as well as Southern and Western Slavs are Slavs not only by the language, but also by their anthropological type, while Russians, Belorussians and Poles, evidently are Slavs only by the language.

Source: Volkov F. Anthropological features... P. 452-453

LOL so Mario Alinei's theory of continuity is right? The southern Danube region being the cradle of Slavic civilization spreading northward

[Ross]

Originally Posted by Vojvoda

LOL so Mario Alinei's theory of continuity is right? The southern Danube region being the cradle of Slavic civilization spreading northward

Is that you, Zrinski?

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Ross

Is that you, Zrinski?

И ам ноt a Kроат

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Ross

Is that you, Zrinski?

LOL. No, Vojvoda is a Serb.

[Zrinski]

It seems our ****** ****** friend Ross is a bit lost.

[Edit by Mynydd. Ad hominem]

[bocian]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

It seems our little trollish friend Ross is a bit lost.

Nah, I'm sure Ross knows who Vojvoda is...

And he's Polish, btw.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by bocian

And he's Polish, btw.

*****

[Edit by Mynydd. Ad hominem]

[bocian]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

*****

No, Vojvoda is Polish.

[Vojvoda]

Ja jestem Polakiem

[norda]

Куліш А.Ф. Пам’яти українців. Науково-пізнавальний посібник. Харьків: «Просвіта», 2000

What a morons.. I have to save it!
Is it really a „scientific” source? I have once bought history schoolbook in Ukraine and it was full of similar babbling.
The creation of Ukrainian nationalism was indeed one of the greatest mistakes of Polish Galician aristocracy.

[Zrinski]

It's been written by chauvinists...there really is no difference between a Russian or Ukrainian or any other chauvinist.

[Nestor]

A Historiography of the Anthropologial Study of Ukrainians. #1

The Anthropological study of Ukrainians started in approx. 1850's with the studies by Polish anthropologists from Krakow Meyer and Koperyncki who did studies of Ukrainians in Galicia.

Their studies were mixed with various negative racist elements and overtones. They were based on the fact that Ukrainians had saved the brachicephalic type more, which could be seen more often (in the relationship of the width of the head to it's length, multiplied by 100) than in other slavic peoples who had a less prominant brachicepahlic and were more dolicephalic. At that time it was not yet known that the slavic tribes that were he inhabitants of Rus' were dolicephalic, and that the brchicephalic process started in the 14-15th centuries quite quickly in various slavic peoples and that this main indicator could not in any way become a reason for judgement of the "purity of the Slavic race"

The Polish anthropologist Talko-Hryncevycz who worked in Russia in his characterisation of the Ukrainian people also adhered to the ideas of Kopernycki. However V. Petrov after analysis of a large number of Ukrainians and Russians from the Kursk gunernia came to the conclussion that according to the height, colour of eyes and hair that there was little difference between the two peoples.

O. Krasnov on the basis of the same materials showed that the darker coloured eyes and hair and greater brachicephalicity of the Ukrainians are approximately the same as amongst the Russian population. However, from the materials collected by Krasnov it can be seen that Ukrainians were lighter haired in comparison to the populations of Saratov, Astrakhan and some other (Russian) gubernias.

An analalogous conclussion was made on an even larger sample collected on the territories by the Russian anthropologist O. Chepurkovsky. Amongst the Ukrainians he differentiated the dark featured Brachicephalic type. (without more details it should be noted that Chepurkovsky had far smaller group of samples of Ukrainians than from Russians) and amongst the Russians - a type of dark mesocephalic - Eastern Great Russian and the light Brachicephalic - "Valdaj" type.

More attention should be given to the work of the bourgeoise nationalist Ukrainian anthropologist F. Vovk (Volkov). From one point, he stimulated the interest in the study of anthropology in Ukraine and created an anthropological school which collected a massive amount of materials (over 3500 samples) from various parts of Ukraine. Apart from that, Vovk's students (eg. S. Rudenko) made a great contribution to anthropology, ethnology and archaeology of various groups of Russians and other peoples in Russia. On the other hand, Vovk's book published in 1916 "The Anthropological Characteristics of the Ukrainian people" on the basis of the material he and his students had collected underwent harsh criticism, initially for its underlying nationalist tendencies, and secondly for it's defects in methodology. In this study Vovk tried to show that there exists a "slavic" dark festured brachicephalic race which almost totally saved its first slavic racial type. To this dynaric race belonged the southern slavs, the Czechs, Slovaks and also the Ukrainians. They later form a unified "Ukrainian anthropological type" which was a variant of the dynaric race. The Russians, Belorus (and also Poles), which in general were far shorter in stature had lighter featured and with less brachicephalicity, by the ideas of Vovk, did not contain much of the elements of the "preslavic dynar race" because of their assymilation of finnish, baltic and other races.

Regarding the existence of a "slavic prerace" not only was Vovk searching for it, but also other anthropologists and each of these anthropologists came to different conclussions.

The attempts of Vovk to make the Ukrainians a specific race with a "Ukrainian anthropologicla type" was antiscientific. The terms race and people don't correspond directly, nor do linguistic and anthropological classifications.

tbc