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Default Crimes of Ukrainian Nationalists in Slovakia

По материалам "Pravda", Словакия.

Война закончилась 60 лет назад, но не для Украинской повстанческой армии (УПА). Вооруженные банды бандеровцев продолжали вести борьбу, не признавая государственных границ. Они действовали в основном на Западной Украине и в Польше, откуда в конце августа 1945 года начали свои набеги на Словакию.

29 августа у села Келча Врановского района произошло первое боевое столкновение бандеровцев со словацкими пограничниками. За ним последовала перестрелка 15 сентября в районе Сабинова. 'Повстанцы' доходили даже до Прешова. Братислава была обеспокоена и направила значительные подкрепления для борьбы с непрошенными гостями.

Официальный 'историк' УПА Шанковский представляет ее действия на территории Восточной Словакии как 'политико-воспитательную миссию'.


В Словакии еще живы очевидцы этой 'миссии'. Яну Кичу из Колбасова было 22 года, когда вооруженные бандеровцы ворвались в дом Менделя Поллака и убили там 11 евреев. Об этой трагедии напоминает памятная доска на здании поселковой администрации. 'Они застрелили всех кроме маленькой Элены Якубичовой, которая спряталась под кроватью', - рассказывает Кич.

Элена провела целую ночь среди трупов, и только утром ее обнаружил знакомый из города Гуменне. Центр бандеровцев, по словам Кича, располагался в Новой Седлице, где они убили трех жителей. В селе Уличи их жертвами стали еще четыре человека. Кроме евреев они нападали на местных коммунистов и членов народных комитетов.

При этом современные защитники Степена Бандеры и его военной организации не желают соглашаться с тем, что подобные преступления могли совершить члены повстанческой армии. Однако архивы словацкого МВД говорят о другом. Чешский автор Ян Кукс в своих работах подтверждает то, что банды Кармелюка, Сокила и Перига грабили население, отбирали у него продукты, скот, одежду и медикаменты.

Осенью 1945 года они убили по меньшей мере 18 гражданских лиц. В конце концов властям пришлось направить против них четыре батальона из состава вооруженных сил, которым удалось выдворить бандеровцев в Польшу. Но уже в апреле 1946 года их набеги на Словакию возобновились, причем они проникали все дальше в глубь словацкой территории.
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Pull the other leg now
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Tell it to Slovaks. Now.
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Why don't you mention the attrocities you did to all those people....
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Tell it to Slovaks. Now.
But UPA did not touch the Slovaks and did not fight on Slovakian territory
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Unfortunately, Slovaks disgree with you:

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Heh, I wonder what Ukrainian nationalists have to say about crimes committed against Poles...nothing but silence.
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You know there is barely one nation that was innocent to their neighbouring nations....especially in Europe. The point is in overcoming the past and looking towards the future. Calling upon past events will bring us nothing good....believe me I know from my own personal experience(ex-Yugoslavia wars)...
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Lot's of things can be said.

If a person is defending his territory, his ethic homeland you can say one thing. He is thought of as a hero.

If he was invading someone else's space he is an invader.

If you look at Volyn it is Ukrainian ethnic territory. The Ukrainian Insurgent Army was defending its territory from Polish agression.

In Slovakia UPA did not opperate. or possibly it was one of those Ruthenian groups.

In my particular case on my mother's side the Poles murdered 2 of my grand uncles. The Russians in the Soviet Army 1. You get kicked around by both sides you fight back.
The Poles used discriminitory policies toward Ukrainians in almost every sphere of life. Ukrainians were only allowed to get 3 years of education whereas Poles would get the obligatory 8. The Ukrainians tried to counter this by repeating years in school. The Poles closed the Classes at the Lviv University established during Austro Hungary so the Ukrainians went to Prague and set up a University, Pedagogical college and Politechnic there.

The lists of Polish attrocities towards Ukrainians is also long.

Are we going to spend time seeing whose list is longest. Its a pissing contest. The one thing I do know is that UPA didn't operate on foreign soil - it could barely operate on Ukrainian soil.

Regarding Slovaks there was no reason to be in conflict with them at all. Hungarians possibly. Communists and various Jewish political adminitrators yes but Slovaks no.
Romanians possibly - but they didn't function there.
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Lot's of things can be said.

If a person is defending his territory, his ethic homeland you can say one thing. He is thought of as a hero.

If he was invading someone else's space he is an invader.

If you look at Volyn it is Ukrainian ethnic territory. The Ukrainian Insurgent Army was defending its territory from Polish agression.

In Slovakia UPA did not opperate. or possibly it was one of those Ruthenian groups.

In my particular case on my mother's side the Poles murdered 2 of my grand uncles. The Russians in the Soviet Army 1. You get kicked around by both sides you fight back.
The Poles used discriminitory policies toward Ukrainians in almost every sphere of life. Ukrainians were only allowed to get 3 years of education whereas Poles would get the obligatory 8. The Ukrainians tried to counter this by repeating years in school. The Poles closed the Classes at the Lviv University established during Austro Hungary so the Ukrainians went to Prague and set up a University, Pedagogical college and Politechnic there.

The lists of Polish attrocities towards Ukrainians is also long.

Are we going to spend time seeing whose list is longest. Its a pissing contest. The one thing I do know is that UPA didn't operate on foreign soil - it could barely operate on Ukrainian soil.

Regarding Slovaks there was no reason to be in conflict with them at all. Hungarians possibly. Communists and various Jewish political adminitrators yes but Slovaks no.
Romanians possibly - but they didn't function there.
You wouldn't happen to be a politician?
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Accounts Ive read include how Polish soldiers would break into homes and beat the inhabitants up for simply having traditional Ukrainian quilts. Also forcing priests(who were the most respected people in Western Ukrainian society at the time) swear alliegence to Pilduski at gunpoint.
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Accounts Ive read include how Polish soldiers would break into homes and beat the inhabitants up for simply having traditional Ukrainian quilts. Also forcing priests(who were the most respected people in Western Ukrainian society at the time) swear alliegence to Pilduski at gunpoint.
Doesn't sound as bad as women and children being slaughtered, often times tortured and literally being torn apart while still breathing (ripping out of tongues, gauging eyes out, etc.) and alive does it? What's worse is that Poles were often given assurances (sometimes in writing) that they would be safe, only to suffer the same fate as the others a few days later.
Funny thing is that there are Polish cemeteries that commemorate UPA dead, Russian dead, German dead...What about Ukraine?

Here is a list of methods of UPA and OUN...I'm sure Ukrainians understand enough Polish to understand.


1. Wbijanie dużego i grubego gwoŸdzia do czaszki gtowy.
2. Zdzieranie z głowy włosów ze skórš (skalpowanie).
3. Zadawanie ciosu obuchem siekiery w czaszkę głowy.
4. Zadawanie ciosu obuchem siekiery w czoło.
5. Wyrzynanie na czole „orła".
6. Wbijanie bagnetu w skroń głowy.
7. Wyłupywanie jednego oka.
8. Wybieranie dwoje oczu.
9. Obcinanie nosa.
10. Obcinanie jednego ucha.
12.Obrzynanie obydwu uszu.
13. Przebijanie zaostrzonym grubym drutem ucha na wylot drugiego ucha.
14. Obrzynanie warg.
15. Obcinanie języka.
16. Podrzynanie gardła.
17. Podrzynanie gardła i wycišganie przez otwór języka na zewnštrz.
18. Podrzynanie gardła i wkładanie do otworu szmaty.
19. Wybijanie zębów.
20. Łamanie szczęki.
21. Rozrywanie ust od ucha do ucha.
22. Kneblowanie ust pakułami przy transporcie jeszcze żywych ofiar.
23. Podcinanie szyi nożem lub sierpem.
24. Zadawanie ciosu siekierš w szyję.
25. Pionowe rozršbywanie siekierš głowy.
26. Skręcanie głowy do tyłu.
27. Robienie miazgi z głowy przez wkładanie głowy w œciski zaciskane œrubš.
28. Obcinanie głowy sierpem.
29. Obcinanie głowy kosš.
30. Odršbywanie głowy siekierš.
31. Zadawanie ciosu siekierš w szyję.
32. Zadawanie ran kłutych w głowie.
33. Cięcie i œcišganie wšskich pasów skóry z pleców.
34. Zadawanie innych ran ciętych na plecach.
35. Zadawanie ciosów bagnetem w plecy.
36. Łamanie koœci żeber klatki piersiowej.
37. Zadawanie ciosu nożem lub bagnetem w serce lub okolice serca.
38. Zadawanie ran kłutych nożem lub bagnetem w pierœ.
39. Obcinanie kobietom piersi sierpem.
40. Obcinanie kobietom piersi i posypywanie ran solš.
41. Obrzynanie sierpem genitalii ofiarom płci męskiej.
42. Przecinanie tułowia na wpół piłš ciesielskš.
43. Zadawanie ran kłutych brzucha nożem lub bagnetem.
44. Przebijanie brzucha ciężarnej kobiecie bagnetem.
45. Rozcinanie brzucha i wycišganie jelit na zewnštrz u dorosłych.
46. Rozcinanie brzucha kobiecie w zaawansowanej cišży i w miejsce wyjętego płodu, wkładanie np. żywego kota i zaszywanie brzucha.
47. Rozcinanie brzucha i wlewanie do wnętrza wrzšteku-kipišcej wody.
48. Rozcinanie brzucha i wkładanie do jego wnętrza kamieni oraz wrzucanie do rzeki.
49. Rozcinanie kobietom ciężarnym brzucha i wrzucanie do wnętrza potłuczonego szkła.
50. Wyrywanie żył od pachwy, aż do stóp.
51. Wkładanie do pochwy - vagina rozżarzonego żelaza.
52. Wkładanie do vaginy szyszek sosny od strony wierzchołka.
53. Wkładanie do vaginy zaostrzonego kołka i przepychanie aż do gardła, na wylot.
54. Rozcinanie kobietom przodu tułowia ogrodniczym scyzorykiem, od vaginy, aż po szyję i pozostawienie wnętrznoœci na zewnštrz.
55. Wieszanie ofiar za wnętrznoœci.
56. Wkładanie do vaginy szklanej butelki i jej rozbicie.
57. Wkładanie do analu szklanej butelki i jej stłuczenie.
58. Rozcinanie brzucha i wsypywanie do wnętrza karmy dla zgłodniałych œwiń tzw. osypki, który to pokarm wyrywały razem z jelitami i innymi wnętrznoœciami.
59. Odršbywanie siekierš jednej ręki.
60. Odršbywanie siekierš obydwóch ršk.
61. Przebijanie dłoni nożem.
62. Obcinanie palców u ręki nożem.
63. Obcinanie dłoni.
64. Przypalanie wewnętrznej strony dłoni na goršcym blacie kuchni węglowej.
65. Odršbywanie pięty.
66. Odršbywanie stopy powyżej koœci piętowej.
67. Łamanie koœci ršk w kilku miejscach tępym narzędziem.
68. Łamanie koœci nóg w kilku miejscach tępym narzędziem.
69. Przecinanie tułowia na wpół piłš ciesielskš, obłożonego z dwóch stron deskami.
70. Przecinanie tułowia na wpół specjalnš piłš drewnianš.
71. Obcinanie piłš obie nogi.
72. Posypywanie zwišzanych nóg rozżarzonym węglem.
73. Przybijanie gwoŸdziami ršk do stołu, a stóp do podłogi.
74. Przybijanie w koœciele na krzyżu ršk i nóg gwoŸdziami.
75. Zadawanie ciosów siekierš w tył głowy, ofiarom ułożonym uprzednio głowš do podłogi.
76. Zadawanie ciosów siekierš na całym tułowiu.
77. Ršbanie siekierš całego tułowia na częœci.
78. Łamanie na żywo koœci nóg i ršk w tzw. kieracie.
79. Przybijanie nożem do stołu języczka małego dziecka, które póŸniej wisiało na nim.
80. Krajanie dziecka nożem na kawałki i rozrzucanie ich wokół.
81. Rozpruwanie brzuszka dzieciom.
82. Przybijanie bagnetem małego dziecka do stołu.
83. Wieszanie dziecka płci męskiej za genitalia na klamce drzwi.
84. Łamanie stawów nóg dziecka.
85. Łamanie stawów ršk dziecka.
86. Zaduszenie dziecka przez narzucenie na niego różnych szmat.
87. Wrzucanie do głębinowych studni małych dzieci żywcem.
88. Wrzucanie dziecka w płomienie ognia palšcego się budynku.
89. Rozbijanie główki niemowlęcia przez wzięcie go za nóżki i uderzenie o œcianę lub piec.
90. Powieszenie za nogi zakonnika pod ambonš w koœciele.
91. Wbijanie dziecka na pal.
92. Powieszenie na drzewie kobiety do góry nogami i znęcanie się nad niš przez odcięcie piersi i języka, rozcięcie brzucha i wybranie oczu oraz odcinanie nożami kawałków ciała.
93. Przybijanie gwoŸdziami małego dziecka do drzwi.
94. Wieszanie na drzewie głowš do góry.
95. Wieszanie na drzewie nogami do góry.
96. Wieszanie na drzewie nogami do góry i osmalanie głowy od dołu ogniem zapalonego pod głowš ogniska.
97. Zrzucanie w dół ze skały.
98. Topienie w rzece.
99. Topienie przez wrzucenie do głębinowej studni.
100. Topienie w studni i narzucanie na ofiarę kamieni.
101. ZadŸganie widłami, a potem pieczenie kawałków ciała na ognisku.
102. Wrzucenie dorosłego w płomienie ogniska na polanie leœnej, wokół którego ukraińskie dziewczęta œpiewały i tańczyły przy dŸwiękach harmonii.
103. Wbijanie koła do brzucha na wylot i utwierdzanie go w ziemi.
104. Przywišzanie do drzewa człowieka i strzelanie do niego jak do tarczy strzelniczej.
105. Prowadzenie nago lub w bieliŸnie na mrozie.
106. Duszenie przez skręcanie namydlonym sznurem zawieszonym na szyi, zwanym arkanem.
107. Wleczenie po ulicy tułowia przy pomocy sznura zaciœniętego na szyi.
108. Przywišzanie nóg kobiety do dwóch drzew oraz ršk ponad głowš i rozcinanie brzucha od krocza do piersi.
109. Rozrywanie tułowia przy pomocy łańcuchów.
110. Wleczenie po ziemi przywišzanego do pojazdu konnego.
111. Wleczenie po ulicy matki z trojgiem dzieci, przywišzanych do wozu o zaprzęgu konnym w ten sposób, że jednš nogę matki przywišzano łańcuchem do wozu, a do drugiej nogi matki jednš nogę najstarszego dziecka, a do drugiej nogi najstarszego dziecka przywišzano nogę młodszego dziecka, a do drugiej nogi młodszego dziecka, przywišzano nogę dziecka najmłodszego.
112. Przebicie tułowia na wylot lufš karabinu.
113. Œciskanie ofiary drutem kolczastym.
114. Œciskanie razem dwie ofiary drutem kolczastym.
115. Œciskanie więcej ofiar razem drutem kolczastym.
116. Periodyczne zaciskanie tułowia drutem kolczastym i co kilka godzin polewanie ofiary zimnš wodš w celu odzyskania przytomnoœci i odczuwania bólu i cierpienia.
117. Zakopywanie ofiary do ziemi na stojšco po szyję i w takim stanie jej pozostawienie.
118. Zakopywanie żywcem do ziemi po szyję i œcinanie póŸniej głowy kosš.
119. Rozrywanie tułowia na wpół przez konie.
120. Rozrywanie tułowia na wpół przez przywišzanie ofiary do dwóch przygiętych drzew i następnie ich uwolnienie.
121. Wrzucanie dorosłych w płomienie ognia palšcego się budynku.
122. Podpalanie ofiary oblanej uprzednio naftš.
123. Okładanie ofiary dookoła słomš-snopem i jej podpalenie, czynišc w ten sposób pochodnię Nerona.
124. Wbijanie noża w plecy i pozostawienie go w ciele ofiary.
125. Wbijanie niemowlęcia na widły i wrzucanie go w płomienie ognia.
126. Wyrzynanie żyletkami skóry z twarzy.
127. Wbijanie dębowych kołków pomiędzy żebra.
128. Wieszanie na kolczastym drucie.
129. Zdzieranie z ciała skóry i zalewanie rany atramentem oraz oblewanie jej wrzšcš wodš.
130. Przymocowanie tułowia do oparcia i rzucanie w me nożami.
131. Wišzanie - skuwanie ršk drutem kolczastym.
132. Zadawanie œmiertelnych uderzeń łopatš.
133. Przybijanie ršk do progu mieszkania.
134. Przebijanie kołami dzieci na wylot.
135. Wleczenie ciała po ziemi, za nogi zwišzane sznurem. 136. Przybijanie małych dzieci dookoła grubego rosnšcego drzewa przydrożnego, tworzšc w ten sposób tzw. „wianuszki".

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Doesn't sound as bad as women and children being slaughtered, often times tortured and literally being torn apart while still breathing (ripping out of tongues, gauging eyes out, etc.) and alive does it?
If you want I can post all sorts of stories and incidents dealing with the Polish occupation of Galicia. In fact Poland was constantly condemned internationally for its policies dealing with Ukraine.

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What's worse is that Poles were often given assurances (sometimes in writing) that they would be safe, only to suffer the same fate as the others a few days later.
Yeah as if Poland didnt stab Ukraine in the back. Most famous example is how Pilduski dealt with Petlura, even after he agreed to give up Galicia to Polish rule.
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If you want I can post all sorts of stories and incidents dealing with the Polish occupation of Galicia. In fact Poland was constantly condemned internationally for its policies dealing with Ukraine.
Yeah, at the same time the international community supported also Bolsheviks.


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Yeah as if Poland didnt stab Ukraine in the back. Most famous example is how Pilduski dealt with Petlura, even after he agreed to give up Galicia to Polish rule.
Heh, the most famous example of being stabbed in the back is by that scum you use as your avatar.

Anyway, Poland was the only country that actually recognized Ukraine. Also was it Polands fault that so many Ukrainians joined the Bolshevik side? Poland was a hair away from defeat, and signing a peace treaty quickly, while Poles had the upper hand was preferrable to waiting and allowing Lenin's forces to regroup.

It was Russia who took Ukraine...Poland took what was rightfully theirs, pre-partition Polish land. Need I remind you that during Poland's worst times (Potop comes to mind) Ukrainians (Polish citizens) were the ones who did the backstabbing. It was precisely these actions which allowed Poland to be weakened enough to become a Russian puppet by the beginning 18th century, before being absorbed as a whole.
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I have a biook in the mail I picked up in Ukraine by Viktor Idzio which republished documents from previously closed Moscow archives about how the NKVD dropped in soldiers into the area to discredit the UPA. When it arrives I'll put some of it up on the thread for your purousal.
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I was reading something last night about the different viewpoints of Polish historians concerning Polish-Ukrainian relations, and stated that much of the common Polish assestment of the UPA was the product of Communist propaganda. It also noted that a number of Polish historians even admit that the Polish government was in many ways overly harsh to the Ukrainian population, which set the stage for a violent backlash.
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