National-Socialism in today's Russia (with video)

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Left-nationalist

I'm sorry but you're not Russian that's why you cant understand me.

According to your profile..

Meta-Ethnicity: Hellenic
Ethnicity: Hellenic
Subrace: Mediterranid

... neither are you.

It isnt a theological or metafysical issue but in contrast geopolitical and political.

So you are saying that Russians should drop everything that constitutes their identity -spirituality, culture, ethnia- for a geopolitical construct?

All Russian nationalists are eurasianists

What would a leftist (by definition internationalist) know about nationalism?

Please, define eurasianism.

there is no Russian nationalism with the west meaning.

West meaning here?

I am Russophille as well as the sympathisers of the third reich were germanophilles.

It translates that you are a Communist, and that you believe that the materialistic doctrine that did so much harm to the Russian Nation makes you a "Russophille"?

It probably makes sense only in your mind.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What would a leftist (by definition internationalist) know about nationalism?

Actually there have been plenty of examples of leftist-based nationalism. Hell, even Communism's co-founder Frederich Engels was a life-long Pan-German nationalist(who along with Marx even went as far as advocating wars of racial extermination against Slavs!). Bakunin even accused Marx of being a German nationalist in disguise. And speaking of Bakunin, he even once stated that nationality is a "natural and social fact" and went on explaining "every people and the smallest folk-unit has its own character, its own specific mode of existence, its own way of speaking, feeling, thinking, and acting; and it is this idiosyncrasy that constitutes the essence of nationality."

Nationalism exists across the political spectrum.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Perun

Actually there have been plenty of examples of leftist-based nationalism. Hell, even Communism's co-founder Frederich Engels was a life-long Pan-German nationalist(who along with Marx even went as far as advocating wars of racial extermination against Slavs!). Bakunin even accused Marx of being a German nationalist in disguise. And speaking of Bakunin, he even once stated that nationality is a "natural and social fact" and went on explaining "every people and the smallest folk-unit has its own character, its own specific mode of existence, its own way of speaking, feeling, thinking, and acting; and it is this idiosyncrasy that constitutes the essence of nationality."

Pan-german nationalist Jews? They'd to be kidding.

Nationalism exists across the political spectrum.

I agree. I'm not a "rightist" myself. Who can clearly say that, in the present moment, the Left is different from the Right anyway?

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Duchemin

Pan-german nationailst Jews? They'd to be kidding.

No I am not. Marx even praised the Prussian victory over France, since in his view it would mean that the German working class movement would become dominant in Europe. Marx and especially Engels believed that it was Germany's duty to conquer the Netherlands and parts of France, to create a Greater German Reich. According to Marx, Germans were the only nation worth and capable of leading the World Revolution. French and other nations were too incompetent for that task in his opinion.

Speaking of Jews, Marx(despite himself being a Jew) was a staunch anti-Semite.

And another thing Im sure many teenage Marxist will appreciate is how much Marx in general was a racist: he had utter contempt for Blacks(even insulted his own son-in-law for being part Black).

He considered Blacks, Asians, Native Americans, Slavs, etc as nothing but "ahistorical" peoples who for the good of mankind should either be exterminated or be enslaved by the more enlightened European peoples. In particular, Marx was obsessed with wanting to exterminate Slavic nations and believed slavery was essential to progress in America.

Yes, anti-imperialism was introduced by Lenin, but Marx was fully in favor of it; as was best demonstrated by his support for the British suppression of the Indian Mutiny.

Nathaniel Weyl's book Karl Marx: Racist is a good source for many of Marx's "politically incorrect" attitudes.

[Menydh]

Two Jews German/Pan-Germanic nationalists? Sorry, but that proves the point that leftists don't have a clue about nationalism.

Aside that detail, what you are describing is plain racism.

[Perun]

Engels was not a Jew I dont believe.


But seriously you would be suprised at the close connections between nationalism and Communism since the very beginning. The belief that they are opposities is largely a product of Trotskyist and Western Marxist doctrine.

You saw Marxist nationalism even before the Bolshevik revolution, especially with the Celtic peoples. There was James Connelly of Ireland, along with John MacLean in Scotland. I forgot his name, but another Scottish Marxist writer was actually key in the revival of the Gaelic language and a supporter of what is commonly called "Celtic Communism".

[Left-nationalist]

Originally Posted by Perun

Actually there have been plenty of examples of leftist-based nationalism. Hell, even Communism's co-founder Frederich Engels was a life-long Pan-German nationalist(who along with Marx even went as far as advocating wars of racial extermination against Slavs!). Bakunin even accused Marx of being a German nationalist in disguise. And speaking of Bakunin, he even once stated that nationality is a "natural and social fact" and went on explaining "every people and the smallest folk-unit has its own character, its own specific mode of existence, its own way of speaking, feeling, thinking, and acting; and it is this idiosyncrasy that constitutes the essence of nationality."

Nationalism exists across the political spectrum.

I do agree with you Perun. ;)

To Mynydd: I am not internationalist, i'm national revolutionary bending to Russian National Bolshevism. Strassers were left-nationalists as well as Dr Goebbels and many other NSDAP members tend to be leftist racialists. Today you could consider as left nationalists German Horst Mahler, Knudsen of Danish DNSB, Italian Pino Rauti, etc...

[Perun]

Even the Distributists like Chesterton and Belloc considered themselves of the Leftist tradition as well, at least in their early careers. It was only after the major strikes of the late 20's did they start to turn away from the Left(which they viewed sold out the workers) and move more towards the Right. But yet Distributism actually was more of an eclectric mix of Right-wing and Left-wing ideas.

[Menydh]

Aiming to social policies and justice does not imply being a "leftist" nor, in my humblest opinion, bending towards the left. Much less approaching anything-bolshevist.

On other aspects, like traditional values and social order, by the same rule, one could wrongly say that it is a bent towards "rightism".