Russia - an ethnic state or a multinational empire?

[Gottslav]

This confusion springs from the fact that powers-that-be are still trying to catch fish in troubled waters by instilling in unsofisticated people false ideals of multinational empire. For them Stalin and Nicholas the second are both fighters for unity of these multinational lands, so no contradiction at all.

[Snowelf]

false ideals of multinational empire???
It's only people living in little monoethnic countries with hundreds of tiny farms can consider this ideal to be false But there are some countries those HAVE to be natural empires 'cause of their geographical and cultural conditions.

[Loorberitega Pärjatu]

Originally Posted by Snowelf

false ideals of multinational empire???
It's only people living in little monoethnic countries with hundreds of tiny farms can consider this ideal to be false But there are some countries those HAVE to be natural empires 'cause of their geographical and cultural conditions.

A sacred and selected nation in natural empire... OMG, don't you ever want to improve yourself instead of expanding? Are people happier in Vladivostok if they know that "little monoethnic countries with hundreds of tiny farms" 10 000 km away are again part of Russia, if their salaries are many times smaller than in those "little monoethnic bla-bla-bla"? Why don't you use your oil and gas to make your nation wealthy? Why do you have to be so stubborn with your bloody imperialism?

[Snowelf]

Originally Posted by Loorberitega Pärjatu

A sacred and selected nation in natural empire... OMG, don't you ever want to improve yourself instead of expanding? Are people happier in Vladivostok if they know that "little monoethnic countries with hundreds of tiny farms" 10 000 km away are again part of Russia, if their salaries are many times smaller than in those "little monoethnic bla-bla-bla"? Why don't you use your oil and gas to make your nation wealthy? Why do you have to be so stubborn with your bloody imperialism?

Who is expanding?! We're glad to get rid of those former parasites-republics and now going to have strictly pragmatic trade relations with them. In any case we can refuse from trading with these concrete countries and prefer another trade partners if those former neighbours prefer behaving like kids.
As for 'salaries and bla-bla-bla'..... Well it's not that thing Russians would die for. We have a lot of material abilities now and use them (but it's not the first and superior aim). Yes we'd like to live better and we shall. But on our own and not with the help of EU's charity like some known small countries. Tell me better what will you do when this charity ends up some day? Are you ready to live on your own? Or prefer to keep servilizing your ecomomy and loosing your own sovereign industrial positions ?
BTW I don't care about your countries at all. We hardly notice them because are building new society now. We have too many goals ahead. And nobody here doesn't see Baltic countries among them It's you who tie their state identification with the hatred to Russia. As for me I think that it's looser's position. And everybody here wants just one smart thing from all former republics - leave us alone and let us 'enjoy the silence' without your annoying presence in our life
I'd discuss with you with more arguments but I am afraid that the level of my English won't allow me to do it properly.

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by Snowelf

false ideals of multinational empire???
It's only people living in little monoethnic countries with hundreds of tiny farms can consider this ideal to be false But there are some countries those HAVE to be natural empires 'cause of their geographical and cultural conditions.

Supranational states are dead-end in my opinion. Said ideals are false in the eyes of any true nationalist.

[Snowelf]

Originally Posted by Gottslav

Supranational states are dead-end in my opinion. Said ideals are false in the eyes of any true nationalist.

Russia was always a multinational state. And it will be ever an country where lots of different ethnicities live peacefully side by side - Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, Maris, Mordvins, Komis and others. Something like the USA which was built as a multiethnic empire artificially. Russia was always a natural empire where no any local ethnic people were wiped out (opp. while conqгering America the Anglo-Saxons destroyed lots of local Indian tribes).
As for joining Baltic states in 40-s I think it was a great mistake as a result of decision of the Soviet and the local Baltic ruling regimes. It gave us just a headache and extra expenses at Russia's cost. Thank to God that phase of our History is over!

[Gottslav]

Survival of Russian people as ethnicity depends solely on bringing this state down.

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Snowelf

Russia was always a natural empire where no any local ethnic people were wiped out (opp. while conqгering America the Anglo-Saxons destroyed lots of local Indian tribes).

This is rather rich. Can you honestly say that Russian rule has produced prospering and culturally strong minority nations?

As for joining Baltic states in 40-s I think it was a great mistake as a result of decision of the Soviet and the local Baltic ruling regimes. It gave us just a headache and extra expenses at Russia's cost. Thank to God that phase of our History is over!

As if those Baltic "ruling regimes" were anything but puppet governments. I think the sentiment in the last part of your post can however be shared by the respective nations of the Baltic states as well.

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by Snowelf

Who is expanding?! We're glad to get rid of those former parasites-republics and now going to have strictly pragmatic trade relations with them. In any case we can refuse from trading with these concrete countries and prefer another trade partners if those former neighbours prefer behaving like kids.
As for 'salaries and bla-bla-bla'..... Well it's not that thing Russians would die for. We have a lot of material abilities now and use them (but it's not the first and superior aim). Yes we'd like to live better and we shall. But on our own and not with the help of EU's charity like some known small countries. Tell me better what will you do when this charity ends up some day? Are you ready to live on your own? Or prefer to keep servilizing your ecomomy and loosing your own sovereign industrial positions ?
BTW I don't care about your countries at all. We hardly notice them because are building new society now. We have too many goals ahead. And nobody here doesn't see Baltic countries among them It's you who tie their state identification with the hatred to Russia. As for me I think that it's looser's position. And everybody here wants just one smart thing from all former republics - leave us alone and let us 'enjoy the silence' without your annoying presence in our life
I'd discuss with you with more arguments but I am afraid that the level of my English won't allow me to do it properly.

Your words smack of self-complacency which I find hard to swallow

[qmsq]

Russia has always been an great empire and it will always be.I'm a big hater of russian politics but I say that.I believe that Russia will be the only big power in the world 30-40 years from now.Also the bulgarian best healer- baba Vanga says that.I think it maybe be true but who know?We cant predict what will happen 2 years from now-what about 40

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Snowelf

We hardly notice them because are building new society now.

What would be the main traits of this new society, I am really interested. If you are not too skillful with English, you may explain it in Russian as well.