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Pseudo-"science"! Concluding on somebody's ethnic affiliation based on the thumb-print, I don't know how to call it.
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The second option is that she could be one of your kin Marulus, as many servants would come instead from slavic countries (most of them actually in venetian areas ....): but this would not be useful at all, since it would make a full european of Leonardo.... what horror.
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I do not have at hand my copy of Coon's "living races of men" but if I remeber quite well, the most common dermatoglyphic paterns among arabs, was present at about 27% in Italian population; I don't remember the gigures very well but I know the percentage of the said pattern among italian was high enough to blow in a sneeze this stupidistic theory
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This Spanish article on the same subject is more objective and less enthusiast about the hasty conclusions:
Translation of the part I quoted in BOLD "this typology of fingerprints is applicabe in 60 % of cases to the arabic population hence suggest that his mother would come from the middle east" says Capasso. Other scientists discard this ideas and ensure that the curves of the finger tip cannot in absolute predict the race of an individual La huella (dactilar) de un genio 11.12.2006 | Categoría: Divulgación | Elena SanzTags: forense, biometría, historia |
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I exposed this matter to my friend Maike Vorgt Luerssen who is historian, specialized in Middle ages and early modern history, I quote bellow her reply:
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Anyway we will probably could have an alternative answer in November. I'll look forward to her reply ![]() Last edited by Menydh; Sunday, April 13th, 2008 at 18:22. Reason: [unquote] ??? You have a thing with bbcode!!! :P |
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Here, another comment received from Historian Maike Vorgt Luerssen:
I have my doubts with the fingerprint. Leonardo da Vinci had a workshop with assistants and students, who copied his style of painting. Therefore we can not say that the fingerprint is 100% from Leonardo da Vinci. And I doubt that a fingerprint can give you the information that he was an Arab oder the child of an Arab. Therefore I will write to our Police Apartment Forensic Science and to our University Forensic Science and ask them personally if this is true. I will come back to you!!! Rgds |
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I've read something similar some years ago
Accidently, I found this video this morning, about true face of Leonardo TED | Talks | Siegfried Woldhek: The true face of Leonardo Da Vinci? (video) |
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Mrs Luerssen has nother theory also and believes she had identified an early self-portrait of Leonardo; I published a thread long ago about that subject. Here is the direct link about Leonardo's possible self-Portrait. New Portrait of Leonardo da Vinci Her work is very interesting also and I think matchs quite well with Siegfried Woldhek |
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I saw the article as well and was a bit baffled by the statement. I know of no work done which would allow racial identifications to be made using fingerprints. There is some racial profiling done in the States using DNA analysis, but even that tends to be indicative or it is reported as a probability of some kind that a person is afro-american, caucasian and so on. However, I'm not a fingerprint expert, and it may be that recent work has been done around this topic. Dr Douglas Elliot Science Leader Director Service Centre Forensic Science Programme ESR University of Auckland Auckland Auckland NZ NZ |
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Taking into account that some parts of Italy had an important influence from the Neolithic farmers, that curiously came from the Middle East, it is an absurd to claim that a fingerprint (can it really show ethnic affiliation???) shows an Arab origin.
Especially in the case of Tuscany and the alleged Anatolian origin of the Etruscans, who had an important genetic impact on the pre-Neolithic local population.
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And here I quote a last mssg trnasfred to me regarding this matter:
[quote] In response to your query regarding the pattern type of Leonardo Da Vinci as being of a type normally found only amongst Arabs. To my knowledge no pattern type exists that can be designated as belonging to a particular racial group. Certain (pure) racial types may have a greater trend towards certain pattern typing than other races, example, Caucasian - loops, Negroes (continental Africa) – whorls, Asians – arches, but this is only as a generalization as Pygmies and Bushmen (continental Africa) have as high a rate of arch type patterns as whorl. Also, there is no real dominance as to pattern typing with the mix of racial types. Pattern type is formed from the shape and progression of growth of the volar pads during foetal development, although this will have influence from genetics there are also many other factors that can influence pattern typing of an individual. If you wish to read more on racial variation of fingerprint patterns I would suggest to you “Finger Prints Palms And Soles an Introduction to Dermatoglyphics” by Harold Cummins and Charles Midlo. So in short a single fingerprint would not tell you if a person were an Arab or of Arabic ancestry. I trust this is of some assistance. Brevet Sergeant John ClementsTraining Coordinator Fingerprint Bureau Forensic Services Branch (144)South Australia PoliceForensic Science Centre, Divett Place ADELAIDE SA 5000T 08 8463 7785 F 08 8463 7774 M 0417 855 466E john.clements@police.sa.gov.au Wwww.police.sa.gov.auSOUTH AUSTRALIA POLICEKEEPING SA SAFE .[UNQUOTE] |