Aurignacids

[Lutiferre]

Aurignacids are another name for robust, cro-magnoid upper paleolithic types.

I have heard, to the contrary, the term used on this site as if it was in opposition to "upper paleolithic" (while, in reality, being an UP culture associated with robust, early modern humans) and cro-magnoid. Where does this confusion come from, and is there any reasoning behind it?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Lutiferre

Aurignacids are another name for robust, cro-magnoid upper paleolithic types.

I have heard, to the contrary, the term used on this site as if it was in opposition to "upper paleolithic" (while, in reality, being an UP culture associated with robust, early modern humans) and cro-magnoid. Where does this confusion come from, and is there any reasoning behind it?

The problem is that the term Arignacid has been missused for designing the palaeolithic leptosome caucasoids of the Combe-Capelle man type.
Aurignacian in fact is a cultural phase of the Palaeolithic and whose bearers were both of the robust Cro-Magnon Type (the series of Abri de Cro-Magnon which gave the name to the type) as well as the less robust Combe-Capelle, Brno #1 and Predmost #3 .

I think the term Aurignacid should be replaced by the Capellid one

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by Truth-Finder

The problem is that the term Arignacid has been missused for designing the palaeolithic leptosome caucasoids of the Combe-Capelle man type.
Aurignacian in fact is a cultural phase of the Palaeolithic and whose bearers were both of the robust Cro-Magnon Type (the series of Abri de Cro-Magnon which gave the name to the type) as well as the less robust Combe-Capelle, Brno #1 and Predmost #3 .

I think the term Aurignacid should be replaced by the Capellid one

Both terms being used, but Aurignacid was more widespread in German literature and usually if talking about "Homo aurignaciensis" or "Aurignacien Race" the Combe Capelle skull was meant, whereas "Cro Magnon-Race" referred to the typical skull of "the old".

Also compare:
Der Homo Aurignaciensis Hauseri aus Combe Capelle

Or simply search for Homo Aurignaciensis in Google.

[Amorsite]

are there any reconstructions of Combe Capelle?


Chronological and Geographical Differentiation of the European Aurignacian group

The Combe Capelle face is the earliest which can be definitely associated with a Galley Hill type of vault. Here it differs again from the middle Aurignacians to follow, for the bizygomatic and bigonial diameters are as small as those of most modern long-headed white men, and the face, orbits, and mandible are narrow. The nasal opening is wider than those of most later Upper Palaeolithic European crania hut the nasal bones are European in form. There is no prognathism and the subnasal segment of the face is not exceptionally large. Like Galley Hill, Combe Capelle man was short, with a stature of 1 60—I 62 cm.

Sapiens men, from the Second Interglacial to the Post-Glacial Mesolithic




By the way Truth-Finder, do you have any links on the misdating of Galley Hill?

[Lutiferre]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Both terms being used, but Aurignacid was more widespread in German literature and usually if talking about "Homo aurignaciensis" or "Aurignacien Race" the Combe Capelle skull was meant, whereas "Cro Magnon-Race" referred to the typical skull of "the old".

Also compare:
Der Homo Aurignaciensis Hauseri aus Combe Capelle

Or simply search for Homo Aurignaciensis in Google.

I dont find it very relevant who made the mistake. Its still inaccurate and should be revised.

[Agrippa]

Thats one reconstruction I know of, I think its from an Russian source and there are better pictures of it on the web:


Its worth to note, that this Combe Capelle skull, as well as other Protomediterranoid Europoids, had still more primitive characteristics, f.e. the nasal shape, than the Cromagnids, this however, changed over time, whereas the basic form of Nordid, Mediterranid, Orientalid and Indid is still the same as that of Combe Capelle, especially if being compared with Cromagnid skulls.

In any case, how can a skull be more "Upper Palaeolithic" for European conditions than Combe Capelle? Yet he is clearly not of the same kind as the overgrown or Cromagnoid forms Coons named that way. In fact, I would assume that the number of more leptodolichomorphic and gracile variants was reduced during the Last Ice Age period actually.