"Freedom to Fascism" : A must see movie

[Agrippa]

Found this on Skadi:

Originally Posted by Haldís

Unless we stop our headlong rush towards a total surveillance / total information awareness society, it could happen within the next few years. Fortunately, there are whistleblowers working as hard as they can to warn us.
Aaron Russo’s new film America: Freedom to Fascism (AFTF), to be released in five markets on July 28 and five more on August 4. Viewers at the Cannes Festival gave it a standing ovation.
Russo connects the dots from the super-elite (international bankers, upper echelon politicians, globocrats, globalist intellectuals) One reviewer (Todd David Schwartz, for CBS) has called it “the scariest d*** film you will see this year,” adding that it “makes Fahrenheit 9/11 look like Bambi.”

Trailers and Promos:
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

Originally Posted by Georgia

AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM

Aaron Russo's film "From Freedom to Fascism," has had its opening night and will now be available in a limited number of theaters throughout the country. Russo has been interviewed on Alex Jones radio program [see www.infowars.com ].

Encourage the theaters in your area to show this movie.


Watch the CNN video interview below.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198

Spread the word!

www.freedomtofascism.com.

Very interesting and IMPORTANT topic and the interview seems to be quite promising. The only thing I might have a problem with is his exact definition of Fascism, since what he means is a corporate-bank controlled totalitarian state and not what I mean if speaking of Fascism which is more than just politics and business united in a total state...
This is obviously a trial to beat the machine with its own "propaganda moral" which is obviously not the true motivation of the establishment controlled by the plutocracy.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

The only thing I might have a problem with is his exact definition of Fascism...

Yes, Islamics, the many, probably the majority, who have a classical view of things, or anyone who simply disagrees with what another says are 'Fascist!'TM. Even Reds when they act thuggish and violent (often enough and something they seem to have no qualms about) suddenly are no longer reds...but 'fascist'. Things have gotten quite absurd really. It's the bastardisation and abuse of language Orwell described.

As for the book 1984 itself...it is an excellent description of the red half of multi-culturalism and more than a few reds to this day hate Orwell (a red himself) for having given that side of things away. The other half of multi-culturalism being capitalism.

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by Haldsi

"Unless we stop our headlong rush towards a total surveillance / total information awareness society, it could happen within the next few years."

Next few years?

Cameras in the trees will spy on hunts

By Melissa Kite and Daniel Foggo
(Filed: 12/09/2004)

Police are planning to use spy cameras in the countryside to enforce a ban on fox hunting.

Chief constables intend to site CCTV cameras on hedgerows, fences and trees along known hunting routes to enable them to photograph hunt members who break the law after hunting with hounds is outlawed.

The controversial measure was agreed at a secret meeting between David Blunkett and the chief constables of England and Wales after the hunting ban was announced last week.

Police chiefs warned the Home Secretary that enforcing the ban would cost in excess of £30 million and divert resources from front-line policing. The plan to use cameras was put forward as a way of detecting illegal hunts without deploying hundreds of extra police to roam the countryside.

Some senior police have voiced concern that the measure could be easily foiled by riders and foot followers donning balaclavas.

Mr Blunkett, however, was said to be enthusiastic about the idea, believing that cameras would be an affordable way of allowing police to identify where illegal hunts are taking place before moving in.

An aide said: "This is the sort of imaginative policing solution that we will need to be able to police this ban, without incurring massive extra costs."

The strategy was agreed during a meeting at the Home Office last week following the announcement that a Hunting Bill will be forced through, beginning in the Commons this week, but with its implementation delayed for two years. Opponents of the ban said the use of spy cameras would serve only to harden defiance.

Orwell was slightly off here. He had only thought it would come down to mere microphones in the trees....Ahhh well.

Part 2, Chapter 2, 1984

In general you could not assume that you were much safer in the country than in London. There were no telescreens, of course, but there was always the danger of concealed microphones by which your voice might be picked up and recognized...

He looked up. It was the girl. She shook her head, evidently as a warning that he must keep silent, then parted the bushes and quickly led the way along the narrow track into the wood....When Winston followed her, he found that they were in a natural clearing, a tiny grassy knoll surrounded by tall saplings that shut it in completely. The girl stopped and turned.

'Here we are,' she said.

He was facing her at several paces' distance. As yet he did not dare move nearer to her.

'I didn't want to say anything in the lane,' she went on, 'in case there's a mike hidden there. I don't suppose there is, but there could be. There's always the chance of one of those swine recognizing your voice. We're all right here.'

He still had not the courage to approach her. 'We're all right here?' he repeated stupidly.

'Yes. Look at the trees.' They were small ashes, which at some time had been cut down and had sprouted up again into a forest of poles, none of them thicker than one's wrist. 'There's nothing big enough to hide a mike in. Besides, I've been here before.'

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...12/nhunt12.xml

http://www.online-literature.com/vie...%20the%20trees

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Gladstone

. . . Things have gotten quite absurd really. It's the bastardisation and abuse of language Orwell described.

As for the book 1984 itself...it is an excellent description of the red half of multiculturalism and more than a few reds to this day hate Orwell (a red himself) for having given that side of things away. The other half of multiculturalism being capitalism.

I agree with your main argument but I would not call George Orwell a "red". He was an anti-Stalinist, anti-Communist patriotic socialist. Even his socialism seems to be based more on his wish for an egalitarian economic system rather than a desire for state control. As Orwell himself said:

The real objective of Socialism is human brotherhood. This is widely felt to be the case, though it is not usually said, or not said loudly enough. Men use up their lives in heart-breaking political struggles, or get themselves killed in civil wars, or tortured in the secret prisons of the Gestapo, not in order to establish some central-heated, air-conditioned, strip-lighted Paradise, but because they want a world in which human beings love one another instead of swindling and murdering one another. And they want that world as a first step. Where they go from there is not so certain, and the attempt to foresee it in detail merely confuses the issue.


He also agreed that the word "Fascist" had lost any clear meaning. (see his essay, What is Fascism?)

[Gladstone]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

....I would not call George Orwell a "red".

That is your prerogative.

He was an anti-Stalinist, anti-Communist

Quite true, after very nearly finding himself executed by the same in Spain....though some have thought of him as Trotskyite, or sympathetic, even after that event.

...patriotic socialist.

Yes, Orwell as a red, was specifically a socialist. The term "red" is applicable to Stalinist, Communist, and socialist. As for 'patriotic'...well...like his estranged brethren in Moscow he found 'patriotism' to be of a certain added import once WWII had started. ;-)

http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/wo...ls_hitler.html

Though to be sure I don't think I would say he had gone as far as some others towards deracination beforehand.

Even his socialism seems to be based more on his wish for an egalitarian economic system rather than a desire for state control.

Well, here one gets into what capitalism and socialism are. They are flip sides of the same coin, the one respectively having an emphasis upon an artificial individual, and the other upon an artificial collective. They both as ideologies see men as interchangeable and faceless. Indeed both capitalism and socialism, and now their combination, multi-culturalism, see the expression of man's natural identity as problematic and 'in the way', something to be smashed and stomped upon. It is not at all by chance that we now see these three ideologies, all quite related, in hysterics and in unison, labeling "Fascist!" what most quite openly before lets say 1965, and now much less openly, saw as entirely normal. They as ideologies, in not working within the reality that men have entirely natural and distinct physical and cultural identities that are already in existance, are quite dysfunctional in this, and are in effect making war upon mankind as a whole.

As Orwell himself said:

The real objective of Socialism is human brotherhood. This is widely felt to be the case, though it is not usually said, or not said loudly enough. Men use up their lives in heart-breaking political struggles, or get themselves killed in civil wars, or tortured in the secret prisons of the Gestapo, not in order to establish some central-heated, air-conditioned, strip-lighted Paradise, but because they want a world in which human beings love one another instead of swindling and murdering one another. And they want that world as a first step. Where they go from there is not so certain, and the attempt to foresee it in detail merely confuses the issue.

The sentiment is certainly a broadly held one. Though how one goes about it is quite another story.

He also agreed that the word "Fascist" had lost any clear meaning. (see his essay, What is Fascism?)

Quite a few good observations in that article.

I ought to say when I made the prior post I just about wrote "conscientious" before the word "red" to describe Orwell. That I didn't in that instance doesn't mean I don't think that of him. Indeed, I have a great deal of respect for his brutal honesty with himself and with others about things that didn't always reflect particularly favorably upon himself and his beliefs. If more had that honesty there would be a lot fewer problems in the world, that's for sure.

It also ought to be taken into account he was born at the beginning of the 20th century at a place that was the center of world capitalism (ie Britain and its empire) and to his credit he saw the error of it and was attempting the best he knew how to correct that error. We though at the beginning of the 21st century have the benefit of a certain hindsight that Orwell didn't have regarding the 20th century, such as seeing the convergance of capitalism and socialism to form multi-culturalism. We also have access to more information than he probably did, ie the internet. I've sometimes wondered if Orwell could see what we see now if he would still even be a socialist, perhaps having discarded it. But as he died in 1950, we can't know that, and have to go by what he wrote.

Orwell espoused socialism, something I disagree with, and like many a socialist he wrote of it being global and not allowing for the existence of other ideologies on the way to 'achieving socialism', though the world is quite a big place and there would seem to be quite a bit of room for others who thought differently. I find that a bit disturbing and really quite reflective in certain ways of the totalitarianism of capitalism....though that shouldn't be surprising as capitalism and socialism are sister ideologies...just as America and France (and later the Soviet Union) are sister 'democratic republics'.

So I suppose with Orwell, as good hearted of a person as he seemed to be, that on my end of things I just have to 'agree to disagree' as to what he advocated.

[Agrippa]

Aaron Russo is Jewish it seems, but still he has a very important story to tell, everybody should hear and his insights and the issues he touches are of great importance for all of us I'd say.
The movie is now available on Google Video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30277175242198

[Strengthandhonour]

I saw this at the movie store actually. It looked interesting but I didn't know if it was any good. Now I know..

[Cyrax]

Thanks for sharing. It was quite interesting and informative.