"300". The movie [split]

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Quite an impressive character in the film of 300, despite the film being a deception.

What do you mean with 'deception'?

[Menydh]

I mean that it is a complete shame that a historical even like that is turned into a hollywood funfair of fantastic and deformed creatures, including the ridiculous portraying of Xerxes.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I mean that it is a complete shame that a historical even like that is turned into a hollywood funfair of fantastic and deformed creatures, including the ridiculous portraying of Xerxes.

I agree. I recommend the following site to show the idiocy of 300 (it also goes into the idiotic portrayal of Greeks and Persians/Iranians in Holly wood films). Dr. Kaveh Farrokh-The 300 Movie: Separating Fact from Fiction

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I mean that it is a complete shame that a historical even like that is turned into a hollywood funfair of fantastic and deformed creatures, including the ridiculous portraying of Xerxes.

Well I think the same think, but I would rather say it's unrealistic than deception. Anyway, it's not important.

Did you like the movie 300 Spartans from year 1962 Mynydd?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

I recommend the following site to show the idiocy of 300 (it also goes into the idiotic portrayal of Greeks and Persians/Iranians in Holly wood films). Dr. Kaveh Farrokh-The 300 Movie: Separating Fact from Fiction

Excellent reading. Thank you for the link.

Originally Posted by Panonski

Well I think the same think, but I would rather say it's unrealistic than deception. Anyway, it's not important.

Sorry, it happens sometimes that I confuse this term. In Spanish we use decepción to mean disappointment. What I meant to say was that the film was disappointing.

Did you like the movie 300 Spartans from year 1962 Mynydd?

No. Is it good?

[Strengthandhonour]

the one from the 60's is a good one. I have met the guy who wrote 300, Mr. Frank Miller. I met him around the time he came out with Sin City so 300 wasnt even looked at as a possibility to be a movie.
I spoke to him for about 20 minutes at a signing. He is a big history fan. He told me that he draws a lot of his influence from history for his stories but he would never consider them historically accurate. He claims them more as his own adaptations. Unfortunately not everyone is smart enough on this day and age to tell fact from fiction like many of the idiots who saw the movie and are like "omg! that happened in real life??" no where in their advertising campaign did they ever say "based on a real life event"

[Menydh]

I've split these posts from the thread of classification of http://forum.stirpes.net/racial-clas...na-headey.html and moved them here, in case anyone wants to comment on the film.

To this end, I think that the link to the critical review (or rather, exposure) posted by Crvena is worth a reading and a discussion. There is also another review by the same author of the flim Alexander.

Dr. Kaveh Farrokh-The 300 Movie: Separating Fact from Fiction
Dr. Kaveh Farrokh-The Alexander Movie: How are Iranians and Greeks portrayed?

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I've split these posts from the thread of classification of http://forum.stirpes.net/racial-clas...na-headey.html and moved them here, in case anyone wants to comment on the film.

To this end, I think that the link to the critical review (or rather, exposure) posted by Crvena is worth a reading and a discussion. There is also another review by the same author of the flim Alexander.

Dr. Kaveh Farrokh-The 300 Movie: Separating Fact from Fiction
Dr. Kaveh Farrokh-The Alexander Movie: How are Iranians and Greeks portrayed?

I already read both, and are excellent reports.

It's funny the thing about the cast in the Chuck Norris' movie, and completely true, Hollywood hires arabs and maghrebies for playing Iranians, while it used hire Georgians and other Caucasians to play Russians.

They don't care about an accurate representation, just about their "idealized" image. Some people would be saying "it's the Jews and the Freemasons secretely attacking true Aryan Persians and Russians!", personally I just think it is pure ignorance plus a good eye for making money.

[Leland Gaunt]

Well I liked the movie. Its not that bad. I wait for Pirates of Carribean though.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

No. Is it good?

Well you have to know it's a movie from year 1962 and you can't expect special effects and realistic battles, but on the other hand, it's nothing more unrealistic than 300 from 2007.

Anyway, I didn't watch the whole movie, in school we watched only 30 minutes of the film.

+ YouTube Video

Video of battle Spartans vs. Immortals from 1962 movie. Unfortunately there is some stupid music added by the guy who posted this video.

[Menydh]

It looks good. Surely not as politically motivated as "300 Spartans" and not as fantasy oriented. Even if there is much fantasy in it, it can hardly be worse than "300" in that respect.

On the other hand, the battle formation and fight movements in "300" is very good, as are the characters of Leonidas and Gorgo. In contrast to the shameful characters of Xerxes, Ephialtes and the rest of the freak show in the film.

+ YouTube Video

[Menydh]

Apart from the battle formation, it is also impressive in the film the power to cut of the swords used by the Spartans. The kopis swords of the Greek Hoplites used by the Spartans were much similar to the famed falcata swords of the ancient Iberians.

The power to cut of the falcatas is well represented in the film "300". The Romans were surprised at the flexibility and the power to cut of the Iberian falcatas. After the first combats against Iberian warriors, they had to reinforce the sides of their shields with iron.

A difference between the Hoplite kopis and the Iberian falcata is that the latter is shorter and slightly more curved. The Celtiberians modelled their swords after the techniques of the Iberian falcatas, though theirs were straight. And the Romans adopted the Celtiberian sword which they called gladius hispaniensis (Hispanic sword), replacing with them their swords which were larger.

An original Iberian falkata


An Iberian falcata replica



Iberian warrior with a falkata
(notice that the scutum, however, is of Celtic style)


An Hoplite kopis replica

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Galaico

I already read both, and are excellent reports.

It's funny the thing about the cast in the Chuck Norris' movie, and completely true, Hollywood hires arabs and maghrebies for playing Iranians, while it used hire Georgians and other Caucasians to play Russians.

They don't care about an accurate representation, just about their "idealized" image. Some people would be saying "it's the Jews and the Freemasons secretely attacking true Aryan Persians and Russians!", personally I just think it is pure ignorance plus a good eye for making money.

It's like Midnight Express. I am no fan of Turks, but that movie was the same in it's portrayal of Turks. It was filmed in Malta and they hired locals and Greeks to play the Turks (not only that but apparently the Turkish used in the movie is incomprehensible to Turks and instead Maltese was used as Turkish at least once). The man on whom it is based himself said that the way things were portrayed in the movie was wrong (same with the producer).

[Menydh]

A three chapter documentary about the Spartans. It's good, save the detail of the blonded hair Anglo-Saxon playing a Spartan. Oh well, I suppose that the day that Black Africans and Muslims rule over Europe, the role of a Spartan warrior, a Roman legionaire or a Spanish conquistador will be played by some Tutsi or a Yemeni.

The Spartans (I)

+ YouTube Video

The Spartans (II)