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View Poll Results: Do you believe this is real? Stigmata
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''Marks resembling the wounds received by Jesus: At the feet and hands from the nails (although some scholars suggest crucifixion victims were more likely nailed through the lower legs and wrists); on the side from the spear; and on the brow from the crown of thorns. In certain persons, and for no apparent external reason or cause, some or all of the wounds appear spontaneously. They do not close or heal; neither do they get infected or pose other medical complications. Usually bleeding is periodic rather than constant, often on holy days associated with the crucifixion. Perhaps the best known stigmatist was Francis of Assisi, although there have been hundreds of others. The most recent we are aware of is Padre Pio.''
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I can't speak for every single case. However, within the context of Christianity then I don't see any reason against it being real.
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How could it be real? What is the medical explanation?
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I can't speak for every single case. However, within the context of Christianity then I don't see any reason against it being real.
Well I actually I don't see why, within the context of Christianity, should exist the Stigmata as every thing was accomplished by Christ in the cross so that his sufferings should not be suffered for anyone else;the purpose of his self-sacrifice was that no other sacrifice would be needed ; Jesus plan was that no one should suffer like he did so if the Stigmata are real, I do not think that come from a Holy source as is like saying that Jesus calvary was not enough and his sufferings hace to be repeated from time to time ... do not you tthink so?
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How could it be real? What is the medical explanation?
''Famous stigmatists include Saint Catherine of Siena, Saint John of God, and Saint Marie of the Incarnation. The most famous stigmatist of the twentieth century was Saint Pio of Pietrelcina'' (1887­1968)''

Yes I think it is, but if you need some medical explanations the most logical one is: cases on how '' Twins'' could have impact, such as pains if one of them are exposed to certain types of trauma. I think it works the same way
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Well I actually I don't see why, within the context of Christianity, should exist the Stigmata as every thing was accomplished by Christ in the cross so that his sufferings should not be suffered for anyone else;the purpose of his self-sacrifice was that no other sacrifice would be needed ; Jesus plan was that no one should suffer like he did so if the Stigmata are real, I do not think that come from a Holy source as is like saying that Jesus calvary was not enough and his sufferings hace to be repeated from time to time ... do not you tthink so?
As far as I know, Jesus purpose was to redeem us from our sins through his sacrifice. What do you mean with "no other sacrifice would be needed"?

About stygmata: it has not been proved by science, therefore it's all a big hoax. Anything that science fails to explain simply cannot exist. See "God" or "life purpose".
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About stygmata: it has not been proved by science, therefore it's all a big hoax. Anything that science fails to explain simply cannot exist. See "God" or "life purpose
Can you explain how Jesus could resurrected after 3 days ? How could he born with holy sprite without any sexual intercourse? Nor can you explain these phonomen can you?
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Can you explain how Jesus could resurrected after 3 days ? How could he born with holy sprite without any sexual intercourse? Nor can you explain these phonomen can you?
Because He is the son of God.
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Can you explain how Jesus could resurrected after 3 days ? How could he born with holy sprite without any sexual intercourse? Nor can you explain these phonomen can you?
The answer to this question stands and falls with a beliefe in God. As a Christian I therefor presuppose that God exists.

If we first assume that everything that can be proven by science in the end has to be bound by the laws of nature. As a theist I then have to assume that the laws of nature are created by God.

If God can not interfer in his own creation Christianity and the whole concept of God falls with it.

So my answer is that stigmata as well as other miracles are fully possible.
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I allow the theroretical possibility of that, but I am at the same time extremely suspicious as to individual cases of such phenomena.
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I believe the Stigmata is genuine, though alot of cases of people claiming the Stigmata, aren't.
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