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Woman plans 'ordination' on way to Catholic priesthood

Ceremony may result in expulsion from church

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

RED WING, Minn. - A Red Wing woman will be one of nine women from the United States and Canada going through what they are describing as an ordination to become Roman Catholic priests or deacons.
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aber...s/12211698.htm
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While church authorities aren't recognizing the ceremony, Nicolosi and the other women consider it to be valid.
Well, now that is the height of arrogance. The Church says it isn't valid, but these women think it is, so they obviously believe that they are the defining authority of the Church. It seems they believe they have somehow usurped the powers of the Papacy. Bizarre.

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The ceremony will be a celebration akin to a wedding, Nicolosi said. About 20 of her closest family and friends will accompany her, including her husband
Ah, so it isn't just an assault of the tradition of a male priesthood, it sneakily puts in the agenda of a non-celibate clergy too. Devious.
I wonder what else they sneakily promote?

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She serves as vice president of the Women's Ordination Conference, a national group formed 30 years ago, and has advocated for the rights of gays and lesbians in the church.
Looks like we just found out. Boringly predictable. These devil's advocates simply don't put in the same effort these days. I actually find the laziness of their attacks of late somewhat insulting


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A group of seven women who were ''ordained'' by a male bishop in Germany three years ago were excommunicated, or expelled from the church, by Vatican authorities. Two of those women are performing the Monday ceremony.
Ah, so this is what they base their belief that their ordination is valid upon.
That they were "ordained" by two excommunicated women who were not validly ordained themselves.

So:

1) These women were not validly ordained by the bishop.

2) Even if they had been, they would have been ordained as priests and not bishops. As bishops are able to ordain priests while other priests cannot, they still would have no authority to do ordain this second group of women

3) The first group of women were not only not validly ordained but were then booted out of the Church altogether by being excommunicated.

Interesting that these women still believe their ordination on some pleasure craft is valid while the Church got it wrong.
One wonders whether they even know how to spell the word "Catholic".



Again, one has to question the real motives of such malcontents.
If someone is unhappy with a religion, it's tenets, practises, etc then they have to ask themselves whether they want to remain part of that religion and then make a decision to abide by it's rules or to leave it.

It is beyond belief that someone would decide that the entire historical Church and it's countless members instead need to conform to the individuals wishes.
If it isn't merely another tiresome attack on the Church with an attempt to scandalise it with yet more controversy, then it can only be insanity on the individuals part and I would recommend psychiatric help for the poor souls.
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Women...

Well, this story actually reminds me of the story of "gay Catholics". Who knows what else we will see next...

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Again, one has to question the real motives of such malcontents.
If someone is unhappy with a religion, it's tenets, practises, etc then they have to ask themselves whether they want to remain part of that religion and then make a decision to abide by it's rules or to leave it.
Very reasonable
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Women...
Nah, I wouldn't do women such a diservice. Some of the most devoted Catholics throughout history have been of the fairer sex.


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Well, this story actually reminds me of the story of "gay Catholics". Who knows what else we will see next...
Yes, there seems to be a common theme running between these seemingly different groups. Another group in common is the orgs that claim to be Catholics in favour of artifical contraception and abortion (they are always careful to stress the word "Catholic" in their names, who demand the Church should "get with the times". It is precisely because it refuses to co-operate with modern day madness that I consider it so valuable.

In any case, one of these groups in particular makes interesting reading when one looks into it's accounts and sees where/whom much of it's income is derived from


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Very reasonable
To reasonable people, yes.
Not to these nutters, however.
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- Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922)

The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth.
For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish.
- Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596).

The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation.
- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature

Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation.
- Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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