Say "NO" to US nuclear weapons in Europe

[Menydh]

Not that I would go with all the Greenpeace campaigns, but some like this are worth to support. And at least they say Europe and Turkey :

"There are 480 US/NATO nuclear weapons in Europe. Send a message to the Defence Ministers of Germany, UK, Belgium, Italy, Netherlands and Turkey to ask that they demand removal of US nuclear weapons from their soil".

The text to sign:

To: Defence Ministers of Germany, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, and Turkey.

I firmly believe that the 480 US owned and controlled nuclear weapons that remain in Europe and Turkey are an unnecessary and dangerous legacy of the cold war that should be removed to the US and dismantled.

These weapons are owned and controlled by the US. If you don’t have a say over how these weapons are used, it is a dangerous betrayal of your citizens to allow them to be present on your soil. If they are used, for example in an attack on Iran, you and your citizens will bear responsibility for an act of war over which you had no authority. These US nuclear weapons are a clear and present danger and should be removed.

The time is right for change. As NATO reviews its purpose and objectives and speaks of ‘modernisation’, there is an opportunity for NATO members to take responsibility for the nuclear weapons on their soil and send them back to the US for dismantlement. NATO in the 21st century should be free of 20th century nuclear weapons and doctrines.

You can help achieve real peace by taking practical steps towards diplomacy and negotiations between states in the region on creating a Nuclear Weapons Free Zone.

Yours faithfully,

Sign here!

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Those weapons aren't aimed torwards European cities.They are here to protect us agains anti-european and generaly anti-western countries,so i don't see a reason to remove them.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Those weapons aren't aimed torwards European cities.They are here to protect us agains anti-european and generaly anti-western countries,so i don't see a reason to remove them.

What a sick joke. These weapons aren't meant to protect, they're meant as a way for America to keep it's domination over Western European states.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

What a sick joke. These weapons aren't meant to protect, they're meant as a way for America to keep it's domination over Western European states.

And what will the americans do if europeans decline an american request?Attack EU?WEurope is one of the few US allies,so they can not afford to loose us,which will happen if they try to control us or threathen us with bombs.After all some european states also have nuclear bombs and as a whole Europe is not weak.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

And what will the americans do if europeans decline an american request?Attack EU?WEurope is one of the few US allies,so they can not afford to loose us,which will happen if they try to control us or threathen us with bombs.After all some european states also have nuclear bombs and as a whole Europe is not weak.

The American nuclear weapons like I said are used to exert control over governments in Europe. The weapons are entirely under American control, and European states have no control with what Aemricans use them for. It is all because of archaic cold war treaties that the American controlled/pressured government of Europe refuse to declare ivnalid.

[Musaka]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Those weapons aren't aimed torwards European cities.They are here to protect us agains anti-european and generaly anti-western countries,so i don't see a reason to remove them.

Typical American propaganda..pffff..just tell me,how many times we all heard such things?! What? You think that they can't hit i don't know,for example, Iran from US and they need nuclear weapon in Europe?! Other Europian nations don't have any nuclear weapon and they need American to protect them?HA!!HAHAHA!They only use it for control of Europe and to be closer to Russia with their weapon!! Tell me,please, why all that drama about anti-balistic shield in Eastern Europe if not to threat Russia like "we are here,we are watching every your move,we have nuclear weapon in your close neighbour to attack you and anti-ballistic shield to defend US,so be carefull what are you doing"...I can bet your favorite TV station is CNN,right?!

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

I guess it is normal that serbians are anti-american and pro-russian,but it is also normal that i,a polish am pro-american and anti-russian.It is a matter of nationality,because Russia always suported you and harmed us,while the U.S supported us and harmed you.I don't think anyone of us can be persuaded by the other side.We could however reach a compromise which best suits Europe as a whole.I think Europe should become a superpower like the U.S. and Russia and than imply it's own policy thorwards both the U.S. and Russia.Till than however i am sure that the U.S. are Europe's allie,while Russia isn't.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

I guess it is normal that serbians are anti-american and pro-russian,but it is also normal that i,a polish am pro-american and anti-russian.It is a matter of nationality,because Russia always suported you and harmed us,while the U.S supported us and harmed you.I don't think anyone of us can be persuaded by the other side.We could however reach a compromise which best suits Europe as a whole.I think Europe should become a superpower like the U.S. and Russia and than imply it's own policy thorwards both the U.S. and Russia.Till than however i am sure that the U.S. are Europe's allie,while Russia isn't.

Go over what the aim of this forum is. This forum is not one about the creation of a European suprastate, this state is against the EU and against Atlantism and this forum treats Russia like the European state it is.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Go over what the aim of this forum is. This forum is not one about the creation of a European suprastate, this state is against the EU and against Atlantism and this forum treats Russia like the European state it is.

This is a european NATIONALIST forum and i am european NATIONALIST who supports the EU and wish to see Europe as a world superpower.I don't see what wrong is there in wanting Europe to become superpower,rather than a continent with many small sates.Only as a whole Europe can withstand non-european threats.Alone we (the european nations) can;t survive in this world.We should be united and the EU is this unity.

[Musaka]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

This is a european NATIONALIST forum and i am european NATIONALIST who supports the EU and wish to see Europe as a world superpower.I don't see what wrong is there in wanting Europe to become superpower,rather than a continent with many small sates.Only as a whole Europe can withstand non-european threats.Alone we (the european nations) can;t survive in this world.We should be united and the EU is this unity.

Same stories we heard so many times.."we have right to defend our teritories wherever our citizens are attacked"..Do you know a name for that?Globalisation,New world order, or hegemonia,you are free to use whatever suits you...Maybe you forget,but Nazi German almost destroyed this Europe,and German is an Europe state..Maybe you forget,too,that both World wars started in Europe,not in Asia,or Africa..Who is a threat to Europe? Iran,maybe?Why should they attack Europe? Their main goal is to destroy Israel,not Europe,because they know that Europe would destroyed them in a minutes..Maybe, South America is a threat to Europe? Please,explain to me how...or Africa?!LoL,they hardly can move from their continent,not to attack someone...Asia? Ok,maybe,but then,we would have total war and not a single being would survive,so that is out of question too..

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

This is a european NATIONALIST forum and i am european NATIONALIST who supports the EU and wish to see Europe as a world superpower.

The EU stands for everything a nationalist can't stand for. There is no European nation, and the EU does anything but care for anything European, it is a monstous construct created by liberal-democrats to push through their liberal-economic and cultural-Marxist ideology. The aim is the destruction of indigenous people of any European country, the destruction of European countries as such, in order to create a society based on consumerism (panem et circenses).

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

I don't see what wrong is there in wanting Europe to become superpower,rather than a continent with many small sates.Only as a whole Europe can withstand non-european threats.Alone we (the european nations) can;t survive in this world.We should be united and the EU is this unity.

How can it be you fail to see the fact the EU is the biggest threat to anything European? What does the EU resp. the member-states do to protect us from "foreign threats". What are these threats? Some Taliban in Afghan caves? The 3rd world superpower Iran? The threat clearly is the current political order that carries out the population replacement at our cost.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

And what do you think would be better for europeans - each country to have its own separate foreign policy and do whatever it wishes within Europe?We saw that already in 1914 and 1939.All european nations have terriorial claims thorwards another european nation and if we are not united and pursue only personal strenght there will be wars every year like in the medieval.We need something uniting in order to keep pease in the continent,and if it is not the catholic church as in the medieval,it should be the EU.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

And what do you think would be better for europeans - each country to have its own separate foreign policy and do whatever it wishes within Europe?We saw that already in 1914 and 1939.All european nations have terriorial claims thorwards another european nation and if we are not united and pursue only personal strenght there will be wars every year like in the medieval.We need something uniting in order to keep pease in the continent,and if it is not the catholic church as in the medieval,it should be the EU.

EU in turmoil as Ireland votes No to Lisbon Treaty - Times Online

This is what I think of the EU.

[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

And what do you think would be better for europeans - each country to have its own separate foreign policy and do whatever it wishes within Europe?

Yes, an Europea of sovereign fatherlands. In my opinion foreign policy is overexaggerated, the best would be to concentrate on internal affairs.

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

We saw that already in 1914 and 1939.

What did we see in 1914? We saw militaristic empires fighting each other at the cost of the people, the same that started the war back then are still in power, or do you have the impression countries like Great Britain and the USA have become less imperialistic since then? Even the FRG is an imperialist state, I do not say country because it is not sovereign, now German soldiers are not sent abroad by an order of a German imperialist tyrant but by tyrants representing an ideology.
In 1939 we saw two things, the liberal-democracies pursuing their imperialism mainly through economy, and a militarist Germany that wanted to create a supremacy over Europe at the cost of European people.
The EU differs in it's methods, but the result is the same - the creation af a supremacist union ruled by a certain elite at the cost of European people, European heritage.

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

All european nations have terriorial claims thorwards another european nation and if we are not united and pursue only personal strenght there will be wars every year like in the medieval.

What territorial claims does Poland have?

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

We need something uniting in order to keep pease in the continent,and if it is not the catholic church as in the medieval,it should be the EU.

One of the main reasons of Lisbon treaty's rejection was it militarist aspects, people in Ireland were fed up with increased military fundings.
If you want peace you have to repatriate non-Europeans and to withdraw all troops from Muslim/African countries, let them protect your borders instead.
If you have a look at Medieval history you will see being catholic was no reason not to chop off another catholic's head...

[Musaka]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Yes, an Europea of sovereign fatherlands. In my opinion foreign policy is overexaggerated, the best would be to concentrate on internal affairs.

What did we see in 1914? We saw militaristic empires fighting each other at th ecost of the people, the same that started the war back then are still in power, or do you have the impression countries like Great Britain and the USA have become less imperialistic since then? Even the FRG is an imperialist state, I do not say country because it is not sovereign, now German soldiers are not sent abroad by an order of a German imperialist tyrant but by tyrants representing an ideology.
In 1939 we saw two things, the liberal-democracies puruing their imperialism mainly through economy, and a militarist Germany that wanted to create a supremacy over Europe at the cost of European people.
The EU differs in it's methods, but the result is the same - the creation af a supremacist union ruled by a certain elite at the cost of European people, European heritage.

What territorial claims do Poland have?

One of the main reasons of Lisbon treaty's rejection was it militarist aspects, people in Ireland were fed up with increased military fundings.
If you want peace you have to repatriate non-Europeans and to withdraw all troops from Muslim/African countries, let them protect your borders instead.
If you have a look at Medieval history you will see being catholic was no reason not to chop off another catholic's head...

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