Czech mayors form association against radar base

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Czech mayors form association against radar base

Rozmital pod Tremsinem- Czech mayors from surroundings of the Brdy military grounds today formed a free association of towns and villages against the planned construction of the U.S. radar base in the Czech Republic, the mayors told CTK.


The radar base may be built near Misov, west Bohemia, some 90 km southwest of Prague, on the Brdy military training grounds.
The mayors' association is to negotiate with the government. Its constituent document was signed by 31 of 34 municipal representatives present, 27 of whom were from central Bohemia.

Only the mayors of Strasice, Hradek and Spalene Porici, all west Bohemia, refused to join the association.

"We want to formulate our demands at the working meeting in Pribram next week and submit them to a government meeting in Spalene Porici on September 5," said Josef Rihak (opposition Social Democrats, CSSD), Mayor of Pribram, central Bohemia, who has become the association's coordinator.

Rihak, along with some other mayors, admitted that Wednesday's meeting with government coordinator for defence policy Tomas Klvana had divided the mayors from the Brdy locality.

Nine of the 16 invited mayors took part in the meeting with Klvana in Spalene Porici. They all agreed that the presented study assessing the radar's health risks had turned the originally emotional negotiations into rational ones.

The mayors initiating today's meeting do not agree with the results of the Defence Ministry's study saying that the radar's impact is harmless, and they at the same time reject a possible state compensation for the radar base.

"We will not invite only 16 municipalities to our discussions with experts and politicians like Mr Klvana did on Wednesday, but all over 45 in the military grounds' surroundings," Rihak said.

Strasice deputy mayor Frantisek Nerad, who refused to join the association, reiterated that talks with Klvana and other politicians are important for the surrounding municipalities as they can help them gain financial compensation for having been limited by the nearby military grounds for more than 80 years.

Trokavec mayor Jan Neoral (independent) and Jince Mayor Josef Hala (Communists, KSCM), on the contrary, stressed that Mr Klvana is no partner for them as he is "a lobbyist." They said they would like to have discussions only with ministers, the government and experts.

Neoral noted he had recently addressed 737 mayors from the whole of the Czech Republic and that 64 had offered them cooperation.

"I have also prepared a letter to U.S. senators and to the Green parties in Europe," Neoral said, adding that the mayor of Hiroshima, Japan, also called on municipalities to cooperate in the fight against the radar base.
The USA plans to station elements of its missile defence shield in Central Europe - a radar system in the Czech Republic and interceptor missiles in Poland.

The U.S.-Czech negotiations on the base are to continue until the end of the year. U.S. representatives want to hear the final position of the Czech government at the beginning of 2008.
The centre-right government of Mirek Topolanek (Civic Democrats, ODS) supports the idea of the base, while the opposition Social Democrats demand that a referendum be held on it. A majority of Czech inhabitants are against the base, according to polls.

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[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Let's hope they will not succede and the radars WILL be placed in the Czech republic,while rockets in Poland.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Let's hope they will not succede and the radars WILL be placed in the Czech republic,while rockets in Poland.

Too bad for you the project has failed: Bush fails on missile defense

Poland wants $20 billion in upgrades to it's air defenses and military to be financed by the U.S., all the U.S. is offering is $20 million/ya to lease the site.

The Cezech president, verious parties in parliament and the people are against. Not only that but at rumoured sites the people living their organized plebsicites and in most cases voted nearly 100% against the missile project.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Too bad for you the project has failed: Bush fails on missile defense

Poland wants $20 billion in upgrades to it's air defenses and military to be financed by the U.S., all the U.S. is offering is $20 million/ya to lease the site.

The Cezech president, verious parties in parliament and the people are against. Not only that but at rumoured sites the people living their organized plebsicites and in most cases voted nearly 100% against the missile project.

Well,obviously some people still live in the past and can't see who the real enemies of Europe are.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Well,obviously some people still live in the past and can't see who the real enemies of Europe are.

Please explain who you think these enemies of Europe are?

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Please explain who you think these enemies of Europe are?

Mainly communists and muslims.Some non-communist and non-mislim politicians also tend to use anti-european slogans for political purposes (Putin for example).

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Mainly communists and muslims.Some non-communist and non-mislim politicians also tend to use anti-european slogans for political purposes (Putin for example).

And how does thsi missile shield defend Europe against communists and Muslims?

The one country that can be arghued as still being communist is Belarus, and it is a threat to no body.

While Muslims are not using missiles to attack Europe, but they are using demographics.

And how does Putin use anti-European slogans? Please, post an example. Putin is in no way a threat to Europe, but pro-Atlantist forces in Europe a threat to Russia and Europe.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

And how does thsi missile shield defend Europe against communists and Muslims?

The one country that can be arghued as still being communist is Belarus, and it is a threat to no body.

While Muslims are not using missiles to attack Europe, but they are using demographics.

And how does Putin use anti-European slogans? Please, post an example. Putin is in no way a threat to Europe, but pro-Atlantist forces in Europe a threat to Russia and Europe.

The muslim county which is a threat to Europe is Iran and it's nuclear programme.The shield is mainly aimed against Iran.

Communists are China and North Korea - both having nuclear weapons.

Putin had an anti-western politics,ordering the production of school books and films with anti-european and anti-democratic content.Such movie was for example a "documentary" movie about the fall of the Byzantine empire in which there were obvious messages that Russia shouldn't take example from Europe and become democratic,free and so-on becaus it would collapse like the Byzantie empire did when it took example from the West.So Putin and all his bandits ARE anti-european and althou you are a serb,you shouldn't support them against Europe.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

The muslim county which is a threat to Europe is Iran and it's nuclear programme.The shield is mainly aimed against Iran.

Iran missiles don't have the capacity to reach Europe yet. Not only that but if Iran is such a threat shouldn't the U.S. build the missiles in Turkey or Azerbaijan (the latter having been proposed by Putin), given that both of those border Iran.

The shiled is aimed at Russia, and Russia has every right to respond to it.

Communists are China and North Korea - both having nuclear weapons.

This is a joke right. North Korea in no way can hit Europe. Their ICBM exploded before it could even take off. North Korea is a threat to South Korea, Japan and America -- not to Europe.

Europe is no threat to the Chinese, and I doubt the Chinese would ever consider attacking Europe. China is more interested in earnign money then being an American style superpower. China is no threat to Europe.

Putin had an anti-western politics,ordering the production of school books and films with anti-european and anti-democratic content.Such movie was for example a "documentary" movie about the fall of the Byzantine empire in which there were obvious messages that Russia shouldn't take example from Europe and become democratic,free and so-on becaus it would collapse like the Byzantie empire did when it took example from the West.So Putin and all his bandits ARE anti-european and althou you are a serb,you shouldn't support them against Europe.

Does this movie exist or it is another propaganda tale such as "Putin is undemocratic for banning the National Bolshevik Party."

Putin is not anti-European. Even if this documentary exists you clearly didn't get the message -- i.e. Russia should not allow western interference in Russian affairs and a part of this is the wests complaints about "democracy." Russia under Yeltsin did whatever the west told him and it ruined Russia, Putin on the otherhand does not listen to the west and does what he wants and his actions, often against what the west wanted, have improved Russia.

Putin is not anti-European, he is against so-called "European" meddling in Russian affairs.

Why shouldn't I support the Russians againsst this so-called "Europe" -- in otherwards the EU -- you speak off. Putin is more of a friend to Serbia then the people who run the EU are.

Why should I support the EUSSR? Why should I support an undemocratic institutions that seeks to dismember my country?

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

Iran missiles don't have the capacity to reach Europe yet. Not only that but if Iran is such a threat shouldn't the U.S. build the missiles in Turkey or Azerbaijan (the latter having been proposed by Putin), given that both of those border Iran.

The shiled is aimed at Russia, and Russia has every right to respond to it.



This is a joke right. North Korea in no way can hit Europe. Their ICBM exploded before it could even take off. North Korea is a threat to South Korea, Japan and America -- not to Europe.

Europe is no threat to the Chinese, and I doubt the Chinese would ever consider attacking Europe. China is more interested in earnign money then being an American style superpower. China is no threat to Europe.



Does this movie exist or it is another propaganda tale such as "Putin is undemocratic for banning the National Bolshevik Party."

Putin is not anti-European. Even if this documentary exists you clearly didn't get the message -- i.e. Russia should not allow western interference in Russian affairs and a part of this is the wests complaints about "democracy." Russia under Yeltsin did whatever the west told him and it ruined Russia, Putin on the otherhand does not listen to the west and does what he wants and his actions, often against what the west wanted, have improved Russia.

Putin is not anti-European, he is against so-called "European" meddling in Russian affairs.

Why shouldn't I support the Russians againsst this so-called "Europe" -- in otherwards the EU -- you speak off. Putin is more of a friend to Serbia then the people who run the EU are.

Why should I support the EUSSR? Why should I support an undemocratic institutions that seeks to dismember my country?

How can a SHIELD possibly be a THREAT!?This is what the russians say,but it is absolute nonsense.A missile is a threat,but not a shield.In POland and Czech republic is supposed to be placed a SHIELD,which should PROTECT not attack.Why do the russians respond so violently to a defensive,not offensive system? Symply because they are anti-european!This is the answer and you are also acting anti-european supporting Russia and not the EU,which is aiming thorwards a united and strong Europe,not controlled by the U.S. or Russia.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

How can a SHIELD possibly be a THREAT!?This is what the russians say,but it is absolute nonsense.A missile is a threat,but not a shield.In POland and Czech republic is supposed to be placed a SHIELD,which should PROTECT not attack.Why do the russians respond so violently to a defensive,not offensive system? Symply because they are anti-european!This is the answer and you are also acting anti-european supporting Russia and not the EU,which is aiming thorwards a united and strong Europe,not controlled by the U.S. or Russia.

The world shield in this case is a euphemism. This shield can easily be used to attack Russia.

The shield is both offensive and defensive, no matter what the EU claims. Russia has every right to respond the way it has to this threat.

Furthermore. Anyone who suppiorts this shield ias a traitor to his own nation. Any Pole and Czech who wants this shield wants his country to become a target.

How am I acting anti-European by refusing to support an american policy tool over the sovereign rights of a European nation -- i.e. the Russians.

The EU is an American creation and it does not strive for a strong Europe. The EU is basically a giant Switzerland and literally has no influence outside it's borders.

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

The world shield in this case is a euphemism. This shield can easily be used to attack Russia.

The shield is both offensive and defensive, no matter what the EU claims. Russia has every right to respond the way it has to this threat.

Furthermore. Anyone who suppiorts this shield ias a traitor to his own nation. Any Pole and Czech who wants this shield wants his country to become a target.

How am I acting anti-European by refusing to support an american policy tool over the sovereign rights of a European nation -- i.e. the Russians.

The EU is an American creation and it does not strive for a strong Europe. The EU is basically a giant Switzerland and literally has no influence outside it's borders.

Russia is not one of the many european nations,trying to unite themselves against non-european threats,but a world superpower with its own policy.I already explained why the EU is anti-american and anti-russian union in another thread.And the shield can only protect Europe,not harm it,so an european traitor is anyone supporting Russia against the shield.

[Musaka]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

How can a SHIELD possibly be a THREAT!?This is what the russians say,but it is absolute nonsense.A missile is a threat,but not a shield.In POland and Czech republic is supposed to be placed a SHIELD,which should PROTECT not attack.Why do the russians respond so violently to a defensive,not offensive system? Symply because they are anti-european!This is the answer and you are also acting anti-european supporting Russia and not the EU,which is aiming thorwards a united and strong Europe,not controlled by the U.S. or Russia.

M8,you are spending too much time watching CNN.."relax,take it easy"...I can understand you hate Russinas because of genocid that did to your nation,but saying that EU is an enemy to Russia is such a hmm,dont wont to say that word, opinion..Only state which is controling EU is US because they dont need another strong union like US is and which EU is trying to be...If someone is anti-europian is,it is only US and nobody else,or maybe you forget that Russia is Europian state?!?

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]

Originally Posted by BeliAndjeo

M8,you are spending too much time watching CNN.."relax,take it easy"...I can understand you hate Russinas because of genocid that did to your nation,and i can understand it,but saying that EU is an enemy to Russia is such a hmm,dont wont to say that word, opinion..Only state which is controling EU is US because they dont need another strong union like US is and which EU is trying to be...If someone is anti-europian is,it is only US and nobody else,or maybe you forget that Russia is Europian state?!?

Russia is geographycaly an european state,but not politically.Russia pursues it's own purposes and they are not aimed thorwards the unification or strenth of Europe.Russia also doesn't need strong Europe,rather a weak one,which it could control as it did with East Europe during the communism.

The EU is making Europe strong and the Lisbon treaty proofs that.The U.S. doesn't want a strong Europe too,so it is AGAINST the EU and the Lisbon treaty.

[Musaka]

Originally Posted by Wladyslaw Warnenczyk

Russia is geographycaly an european state,but not politically.Russia pursues it's own purposes and they are not aimed thorwards the unification or strenth of Europe.Russia also doesn't need strong Europe,rather a weak one,which it could control as it did with East Europe during the communism.

The EU is making Europe strong and the Lisbon treaty proofs that.The U.S. doesn't want a strong Europe too,so it is AGAINST the EU and the Lisbon treaty.

You are making wrong comparasion here..You are mixing West and East Europe,and West Europe was always in better position then East Europe is.. France,UK and Spain would have enough power to defend the rest of Europe ...East Europe was too weak to defend agains strong Russia,but West and South Europe were always stronger then East Europe is..that is the main reason why they controlled East Europe and not West,or South..and one more thing; way how Russia can control the rest of Europe is energy,they don't need strong army for that...West Europe is in a lack of gas and oil and i don't see a reason why would do that; better to have good economical partners then strong enemies,right?

[Wladyslaw Warnenczyk]