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Friday, June 2nd, 2006
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The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44 Alan Heusaff and Bezen Perrot : A case study George Broderick http://www.uhb.fr/langues/klask/docu...zen_perrot.pdf 
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2006
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Re: The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
Raymond Delaporte, Frañsez Debauvais, Célestin Lainé... Breton movement? 
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2006
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Re : The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
Curiously the most famous Breton nationalists are 50% Breton or Breton of the march (name frenchized).
Olier Mordel (50% Corsican), Morvan Marchal (50% French Lorrain).
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re: The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
In short, they all were "halfbreeds" according to their own racial criterions.
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re: The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
Don't worry Duchemin. It is not about race but ethnics and, having a part heritage French (French being European) does not make them half-breds in the sense of Mestizos.
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'Dardanidae duri, quae uos a stirpe parentum prima tulit tellus, eadem uos ubere laeto
accipiet reduces. Antiquam exquirite matrem: hic domus Aeneae cunctis dominabitur oris, et nati natorum, et qui nascentur ab illis.'  We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. –Plato–
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re: The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re: The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
Well, being 50% Breton and 50% Corsican or 50% Lorrain and 50% Breton or even *gasp!* 25% Parisienne 25% Breton 25% Alsatien 25% wallon just means they are 100% french, at least in my point of view. I agree that regional differences are important but they are just that, regional. It's the old theorem I use:
Tribe > Folk (People) > Nation > State
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re : The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
Manji, the history of the nations and the states in Europe is very different. Do not try to compare the Spains with France. It's not simple.
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re: Re : The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
The man behind the Cornish revival in the 19th Century was Scotch...
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Scotch mainly refers to Whisky. Scots never identify themselves as "Scotch". I know, I know, I nit-pick but it's one of those little things that Scots pick up on
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The traditions of the Irish people are the oldest of any race in Europe north and west of the Alps, and they themselves are the longest settled on their own soil - Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922) The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth. For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish. - Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596). The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation. - Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation. - Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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Re: Re : The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
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I compare, I don't say it's equal. But yes, you are right, it's two different situations. Let me just add that even in a small country like Portugal there are those that would like to see the north separated from the south, there are those in Spain that would like to have a completely autonomous nation instead of a foralist/federalist iberian state, opinions are as versatile as in the rest of Europe. I do back up my theorem, let me show you: Tribe > Folk (People) > Nation > State Bretons > French > Britanny > Republic of France which is the same as, for example, Leonese > Spaniard > Leon > The Kingdom of Spain one can also add "meta-ethnic" but that is a broader definition.
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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On the other hand, I could use a good Old English term; "Scyttisc". I'll leave the pronunciation to your imagination! Actually, you know, the Scots themselves have often used the term. It's one of those things that goes in and out of fashion, every few generations or so...
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Sunday, June 4th, 2006
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We have the mischance to be annexed by a assimilationist nation. If we were under British domination, there would be no problems, the Bretons are Bretons, not English or British.
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Monday, June 5th, 2006
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Sure, it can be
Breton > Britanny > Republic of France why is full independence so important? (and i'm really asking here, not trying to use this as an argument) Don't you think that a strong autonomy is much better for both parts involved?
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Monday, June 5th, 2006
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Don't you realise Manji that the Bretons are NOT a tribe of the French? I.e. they are not direct descendants of the Romanised Gauls [save to some extent via the female line], never mind the Franks, but are rather to be counted among the heirs of Roman Britannia.
Your Tribe > Folk (People) > Nation > State idea would thus better be Breton > Welsh, Britanny > Wales [or Cornwall!]
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Monday, June 5th, 2006
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Re: Re : Re: Re : The Breton movement and the German occupation 1940-44
I also disagree with your example Manji. Leonese were a branch of Spaniards as in they spoke a dialect of Castellano(Castilian) and were obviouly the same people...more less. While Bretons were not French/Frankish nor have they become even today.
By the same logic a few decades ago you would have Czechoslovakians, Yugoslavs, Soviets. But we all know that such things never existed and we also know what happened. In short yes you cannot really compare Spain with France...namely when considering Breton issue.
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Monday, June 5th, 2006
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I hardly think Britons arrived in an Armorica free of its native population. If so, I'd be part Welsh, then?
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Monday, June 5th, 2006
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