Racial Types of Finno-Ugrians, Baltisation and Eastbaltids

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

Also I have understood that at least in NW Russia Fennic admixture is quite common. It makes from a historical point of view.

This admixture is common on far greater territory than just NW Russia, which is proven by genetic data. Relatively high incidence of Tat C alelle in Y chromosome (typical for Baltic Finns, Lithuanians, Latvians and Volga Finns) among Russians (about 15%) reflects a substantial Finno-Ugric "substratum" in Eastern Slavs, which, on the other hand, is found at frequences about a few per cent at best in Western Slavs, 5% in Norwegians and virtually absent in Western European populations.

When the Slavs entered the Eastern European Plain this territory was populated by numerous Finnic tribes, they co-existed rather peacefully for centuries and gave birth to a new Russian ethnicity. The latter didn't perish and were not exterminated but contributed considerably and as a rule adopted Slavic (Russian) language, Orthodox religion and identity. Only the most numerous tribes survived into the modern era - ingeroiset, suomalaiset proper, vadjalaiset, vepset, but many became Russians.

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

I won't hold it against you! I too am an inhabitant of the alco-cultural Vodka Belt.

Sometimes I feel like quitting this Belt... For good... So that I could lead a new healthy life

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by atc

Well, Danes and Swedes also like mixing Snaps and Beer. But I was speaking about the illness. Alcoholism in one of the versions issues from the genetic variation, when the people have a lack of certain enzyms. Have you heard about it? The same about marihuana. Arabs inhale it with no danger, but we, Europeans get addicted if we start.

I know what you're talking about. This illness, i.e. alcoholism is killing off whole Russian small towns and villages.

[atc]

Originally Posted by Gottslav

I know what you're talking about. This illness, i.e. alcoholism is killing off whole Russian small towns and villages.

Well, the strongest should survive anyway. What is better, to live among thousands of potentially ill, or just among few hundreds of the healthy survivors? I prefer the second.

[Gottslav]

Originally Posted by atc

Well, the strongest should survive anyway. What is better, to live among thousands of potentially ill, or just among few hundreds of the healthy survivors? I prefer the second.

The healthy survivors in your case very well may be abstinent Moslems.

[Ikutiera]

Heirs of the Finns on Novgorod soil

Scientists conducted their research in Novgorod Veliki and the Volot settlement, on the border between the Novgorod and Pskov oblasts. They took blood samples from 80 volunteers from each populated location, Russians from the mother's side in a minimum of two generations. From the collected blood samples they isolated mitochondrial DNA and looked for genes in this DNA, which is spread among the populations of various regions of Eurasia. It transpires that individual groups of genes found in the residents of Novgorod, are a characteristic feature not of Russians, but for the Northern Finno-Ugorsk people of Eastern Europe - the Finns, Udmurts, Maris, and Komi-Zyryan. This means that these and other peoples like them played a part at some time in the creation of the population on Novgorod soil. However the genetic influence of Novgorod people on Russians from other regions is not that similar. The research has shown that residents of Volot are clearly distinguished from the Stavropol and Kursk populations, while the population of Novgorod Veliki is clearly distinguished from that of the Krasnodar and Stavropol districts and of the Kursk and Kostroma oblasts.

ISTC - Heirs of the Finns on Novgorod soil

[atc]

Originally Posted by Ikutiera

Heirs of the Finns on Novgorod soil
ISTC - Heirs of the Finns on Novgorod soil

From the same article: "The North-west of Russia is a place where many different peoples live close together."
This is perfeclty right. They all live together. And Ethnic Russians sometimes marry Russian Finns. It is quite common. No surprises.

[Kalevi]

Originally Posted by atc

Please confirm or comment the stereotype about Finns in general and about all those numerous Finnish (sub)-ethnicities in Russia.

The people in Russia who could be reasonably referred as "Finnish (sub)-ethnicities" are basically limited to the 12% minority of Karelians living in the Republic of Karelia. Others are truly insignificant in numbers.

But it's plausible that the pre-Slavonic peoples who inhabited the boreal forest (taiga) belt could have had less time to adapt into agriculture and it's by-products because the terrain is badly suited for agriculture.