Racial Types of Finno-Ugrians, Baltisation and Eastbaltids

[MisterSinister]

Originally Posted by Exeter

Lundborg was a "racial biologist", not a physical anthropologist. He had a (racial) preference for the Swedish country people. His theories resulted in forced sterilisations of degenerates in the large eugenics program of Sweden.

Nearly every physical anthropologist with a love for racial biology had a preference for their own kin.
Finns have suffered a lot of stupidity thanks to these people, mostly Germans and Swedes.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by MisterSinister

Nearly every physical anthropologist with a love for racial biology had a preference for their own kin.
Finns have suffered a lot of stupidity thanks to these people, mostly Germans and Swedes.

This explains lots of what I observed from the mentality of a number of Finns.

[MisterSinister]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

This explains lots of what I observed from the mentality of a number of Finns.

How would you describe the "finnish mentality" you've observed?

[Menydh]

A want to belong to the groups which have allegedly made them "go through a lot" (according to you), namely Germanic or Scandinavian. I suppose that that must have provoked a complex in some. But this experience of mine is limited to the world of the internet forums. I have no clue how this affects Finns overall. If it does affect them at all.

p.s. duly notice that I purposedly referred to the "mentality of a number of Finns". Not to a wide and generic "Finnish mentality".

[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by MisterSinister

Nearly every physical anthropologist with a love for racial biology had a preference for their own kin.
Finns have suffered a lot of stupidity thanks to these people, mostly Germans and Swedes.

I agree, but I think Finns are themselves ones to blame, the input from Finns to Sweden has always been rather onesided, from Nort-Eastern parts of the country and always consisted of somewhat backward folk material. Whether it's the criminals of the 60's or the land abusing farmers, svedjefinns of 17th century. Also the finns have some really alien cultural elements compared to Germanics or even indo-europeans. This is still best visible in Estonia and Eastern parts of Finland. Anyway, having said this, despite the initial problems they are by far the best immigrant group the Swedes have ever received.

German and to some extend Swedish pseudo-anthropologist have indeed screwed Finns really badly, Coon was pretty much the first one to question these theories of Finns and corrected the worst misunderstandings, he was by far the least biased physical anthropologist, way more scientific than his European counterparts.

Germans Third Reich accepted Finns as the first non-Germanics to fight in SS, along with belgian Flams (considered non-Germanics) this already in early 1940 when the racial criteria was very strict. I once read that lot of this was due to Göring who allegedly had Finnish friend whose racial qualities the German had looked up to high degree. According to him the friend was tall, blond-blue-eyed of Aryan race.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat

Germans Third Reich accepted Finns as the first non-Germanics to fight in SS, along with belgian Flams (considered non-Germanics) this already in early 1940 when the racial criteria was very strict. I once read that lot of this was due to Göring who allegedly had Finnish friend whose racial qualities the German had looked up to high degree. According to him the friend was tall, blond-blue-eyed of Aryan race.

If you are right there, it speaks tonns of what they meant by "strict criteria".

Come on! African dictators surely have a more selective mind than that!

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat

Germans Third Reich accepted Finns as the first non-Germanics to fight in SS, along with belgian Flams (considered non-Germanics) this already in early 1940 when the racial criteria was very strict. I once read that lot of this was due to Göring who allegedly had Finnish friend whose racial qualities the German had looked up to high degree. According to him the friend was tall, blond-blue-eyed of Aryan race.

So you agree to racial misticism of Third Reich and their stupidity but dont agree with "pseudo-anthropoligist's"? Are Nazis and their stuff a source for you? lol

Funny because you dont write that a first time, at HBF you written about "great aryan Finns" for nutzies etc.

[MisterSinister]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

A want to belong to the groups which have allegedly made them "go through a lot" (according to you), namely Germanic or Scandinavian. I suppose that that must have provoked a complex in some. But this experience of mine is limited to the world of the internet forums. I have no clue how this affects Finns overall. If it does affect them at all.

p.s. duly notice that I purposedly referred to the "mentality of a number of Finns". Not to a wide and generic "Finnish mentality".

Really...

I have no desire to belong to that group anymore than they want to belong to my "group". I could not care less if I'm pure this or pure that.

All I'm saying is:
I know that they are no different from us even though they want to think so. Not any better or any worse and for sure no physical or mental difference. It is that weird categorizing of peoples that they are widely responsible for. It's like a disease in their heads...

But since you raise the issue of mentality.

We feel very indignant when others view us as a people apart. Apart from what? Most of our values match exactly those in the rest of northwestern Europe. If we are apart from something then it's the "east". Finns are very alienated from slavs and especially the Russians. Saying that we are more eastern than western puzzles any Finn I know of.

And Peter,
The group that arrived in the 60's and early 70's were mostly sons and daughters of men (and women) who had their psyche destroyed by lying on the frontline in the wars against the Soviets. There were no mental coaches for them, as there were for Vietnam veterans (everyone knows how fucked up they were when they came home...)...
They arrived, as you said, straight from the back country to work, many without speaking a word of any other language than finnish. Of course they differed a bit from the Swedes who nevr had to be tormented by the war.
Look man, there are 350-400 000 first and second generation Finns in Sweden, among a group that big you'll find all sorts.

Take 400 000 Swedes and you'll find that wonderful "backward folkmaterial" called white trash; psychos, retardation, alcoholics, child molesters, ugliness, stupidity etc at the same level.
Frankly, I've met so many ugly and dumb Swedes that I've lost count...

Why on earth do you think the Swedes were the keenest supporters of sterilisation, eugenics and lobotomy?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by MisterSinister

But since you raise the issue of mentality.

We feel very indignant when others view us as a people apart. Apart from what? Most of our values match exactly those in the rest of northwestern Europe. If we are apart from something then it's the "east". Finns are very alienated from slavs and especially the Russians. Saying that we are more eastern than western puzzles any Finn I know of.

I guess that it is a matter of perceptions.

Western? I certainly don't see Finns as western, by any standards. Politically? Fine, but then so are countries which are not even European, depending on which [political] definition of western you use.

Eastern? As seen from here, I do see Finns as eastern. However, one must absolutely understand that "eastern" does not necessarily mean "Slavic".

Something more, perhaps, where you say "northwestern" I think that it would be less confusing to say just "northern", generally speaking.

[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by Ariets

So you agree to racial misticism of Third Reich and their stupidity but dont agree with "pseudo-anthropoligist's"? Are Nazis and their stuff a source for you? lol

Funny because you dont write that a first time, at HBF you written about "great aryan Finns" for nutzies etc.

I really don't understand this sort of infantilism. It's like I am speaking to a bunch of five year olds who need to have everything served in pieces. It's reallly frustrating. Anyway, I hope someday this forum set an age criteria, f.e 12.

My post was a response to MinisterSinister who was worried about the negative view about Finns mainly stemmed from Swedish and German scholars. I tried to make a point by indicating that it's not always the Germans authorities have held negative attitudes of Finnish etnicity since, after all they accepted the to SS as first non-germanics at the era when strict racial criteria was placed upon.

[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If you are right there, it speaks tonns of what they meant by "strict criteria".

Come on! African dictators surely have a more selective mind than that!

What do you mean, they (SS) had extremely rigorous criteria regarding to blond pigment, skull size, teeth..ect during the years 1934-1940. Only Northern European Germanics were approved in the first place.

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat

Germans Third Reich accepted Finns as the first non-Germanics to fight in SS, along with belgian Flams (considered non-Germanics)

Dont you mean Walloons rather?

To consider Flemish people "non-Germanic" would be somewhat idiotic and against the line of Ns. Germany too - but I'm not that well informed to be sure.

[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Dont you mean Walloons rather?

To consider Flemish people "non-Germanic" would be somewhat idiotic and against the line of Ns. Germany too - but I'm not that well informed to be sure.

I know, it would be stupid. I cannot claim I am 100% correct, but I recall I just read few weeks ago that Belgian Flams, not Dutch, were considered non-Germanics, by the SS admistration.

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat

I really don't understand this sort of infantilism. It's like I am speaking to a bunch of five year olds who need to have everything served in pieces. It's reallly frustrating. Anyway, I hope someday this forum set an age criteria, f.e 12.

My post was a response to MinisterSinister who was worried about the negative view about Finns mainly stemmed from Swedish and German scholars. I tried to make a point by indicating that it's not always the Germans authorities have held negative attitudes of Finnish etnicity since, after all they accepted the to SS as first non-germanics at the era when strict racial criteria was placed upon.

dude you are infantile,you dont understand your own infantilism?

[Waarnemer]

What are Belgian Flams?

[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by Waarnemer

What are Belgian Flams?

Belgian Flemings.