Baltid looking people

[Lada]

Do somebody knows some exeples of baltid looking people, like actors/actresses etc.?

[Exeter]

Latvian Minister for Finance Oskars Spudziņš


http://www.financenet.lv/images/upload/Spurdzins_0.jpg

[Exeter]

Latvian Prime Minister Aigars Kalvītis


http://www.mk.gov.lv/site/New%20Fold...i/kalvitis.jpg

[Lada]

And what about people they are not from Baltic countries, but they are classified as Blatic/Eastern Baltic type? Is there any difference between Baltic and Eastern Baltic type?

[Scoob]

New DNA evidence suggests that all modern Baltic-speaking nations have some contact with Finno-Ugrian speaking peoples of the Northeast of Europe (Finns, Saami). Otherwise, Balts they are most closely related to Slavs.

The Baltic anthropological type seems to be a somewhat stable solution of Nordic, Borreby, and Lappid, sometimes with Lappid strain being rather weak. The Baltids also have a tendency towards Alpinization. The terms East and West tend to emphasize relatuve strength (East) or weakness (West) of the Lappid strain.

Some Germans, especially in the North East show an East Baltic strain, possibly due to prehistoric contact with Finnic people, or are more likely influenced by the absorption of the Prussians (a Baltic-speaking people) in history.

[Exeter]

Originally Posted by Lada

And what about people they are not from Baltic countries, but they are classified as Blatic/Eastern Baltic type?

Coon wrote that the term is only relevant for the Eastern Baltic countries. Many anthropologists recognised an East-Baltid element in other European (mostly in Eastern Europe and Eurasia) countries. It's probably because of the greater element of Pontids-Dinarids-Karpathids and Gorids (East-Alpinid) that you don't see as typically fair East-Baltid individuals in Central-Eastern Europe as you do in North-Eastern Europe.

Is there any difference between Baltic and Eastern Baltic type?

There wasn't for the Scandinavian and British physical anthropologists that I have read.

However, I'm aware that Russian, and maybe other Eastern European anthropologists too, broke them into more sub-groups. I have also noticed that some individuals online in forums like Stirpes want to distinguish between a more leptosome West-Baltid (which I guess is pred. Lundman's Aistin, and which is probably Corded-derived, a type which was supposedly common among the Battle-Axe people, whom used to be longer-headed than the modern populations) and a broader-faced, shorter-nosed pycnic East-Baltid.

I recommend that you study VV Bunak, a renowned Russian anthropologist, or other Eastern European anthropologists whom wrote in a greater detail about the anthropology of Eastern Europe.

You can read a bit about the so-called White Sea-Baltic race on this site: http://dodona.proboards35.com/index....num=1112860037

According to these anthropologists Northern Europeans fall under Atlanto-Baltiskaya rasa, or in English, Atlanto-Baltic race.

[norda]

Originally Posted by Exeter

...It's probably because of the greater element of Pontids-Dinarids-Karpathids and Gorids (East-Alpinid) that you don't see as typically fair East-Baltid individuals in Central-Eastern Europe as you do in North-Eastern Europe.

Can you refrain from such parascientific claims?

[Exeter]

The East-Baltid traits, in its ideal (hypothetical) form, are rarer in Central-Eastern, than in Northeastern Europe. Their concentration is less. That is all.

What do you suggest?

The word "race" applied to a hypothetical past, or a future that is problematic, not the present future. The only way to measure "genetic relationships" of ethnic groups would be to ascertain the quantative values of their coefficients of common ancestry. It would be based on statistic (frequency curves which have rarely been used in anthropological works) methods of probability theory. Our discussion is not at that level. Types aren't fixed.

Originally Posted by norda

Can you refrain from such parascientific claims?

[Scoob]

Originally Posted by Exeter

The East-Baltid traits, in its ideal (hypothetical) form, are rarer in Central-Eastern, than in Northeastern Europe. Their concentration is less. That is all.

At the population level, I'd submit that the East Baltic physical type is most closely associated with high levels of both R1a (HG3 in the old map attached) and N (HG16). Haplogroup N, taken alone, is closely related to Finno-Ugrian people, and R1a is an Eastern European haplogroup associated with the spread of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. This generally agrees with the idea that the East Baltic physical type is largely a solution of East European and Proto-Finnic ancestry.

Some genetic information:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/04...in-europe.html
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2004/09...and-mtdna.html

[norda]

Originally Posted by Exeter

What do you suggest?

What can I suggest?
Well I am out of sympathy and out of patient with you now.
Read once more what you had written and try to find a logic in this sentence or rather lack of logic.


Ps VDr I find your last tendency to exaggerate personal “racial value” of yourself and simultaneous deceitful deteriorating Europeans, not only Eastern Europeans but Southern too, as your return to simple trolling, and I am going to treat it the same way.



Medica, cura te ipsum- that’s what I suggest but I remind myself that you, being Iranian immigrant, can not understand it.


@Admin If i broke the rules please ban me.

[Agrippa]

Norda, just bring arguments in, show some quotations or pictures, maps or whatever, but dont use personal offences against a person which just raid its opinion and was honest, even tried to prove what he said, what you, so far, didnt. If he made mistakes, be specific and stay civil and fair.

Especially if certain personal accusations can't really be proved by you and aren't of great importance if its about the subject in question.

Admin If i broke the rules please ban me.

I'm no Admin, but I'd say you made many valuable postings, to ban you what go much to far for such a small slip-up, just try to avoid them in the future please.

[norda]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Norda, just bring arguments in, show some quotations or pictures, maps or whatever, but dont use personal offences against a person which just raid its opinion and was honest, even tried to prove what he said, what you, so far, didnt. If he made mistakes, be specific and stay civil and fair.

Especially if certain personal accusations can't really be proved by you and aren't of great importance if its about the subject in question.



I'm no Admin, but I'd say you made many valuable postings, to ban you what go much to far for such a small slip-up, just try to avoid them in the future please.

The genetic difference between Baltics and Slavonics was pointed already by Scoob and hundreds of time before. Vdr as former member of Slavic sub/forum knows well about mentioned genetic gap and knows what are the racial differences between both groups so that’s not the problem here. The problem is that the sentence itself is wrong first of all logically and thus reveals either lack of reason or more probably true intentions.

Following such “logic” the number of Negroids in Germany can be smaller then in Nigeria not because of different genetic profile but “because of the greater element of Dinarids, Alpinids and Atlantids”



@ Agrippa please look here

http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.php?p=34257&postcount=9

Maybe I was not fair but this was even beyond my patience.
Is it lack of reason, lack of knowledge, or monkey trick to humiliate Vitor?

[Agrippa]

I see your point, and its your right to point to what you think he did wrong, but please just do it in the civil manner you did it now.

Maybe I was not fair but this was even beyond my patience.
Is it lack of reason, lack of knowledge, or monkey trick to humiliate Vitor?

Saharid is another type you can define in very interesting ways and even if it might be against Vitor and absurd, if you post your images in public you have always reckon with rather negative or unrealistic comments towards the classification of your person. As long as the comments are civil and not totally absurd and sound like trolling, thats ok. We have the right to disagree, as I did with Exeter on this matter, thats what making fora interesting, to share opinions of various people, which are from around the world and spread useful infos and interconnect similar thinking individuals, we simply dont have to agree with each other every time as long as we stay civil and try to argue in a reasonable manner.

[norda]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Saharid is another type you can define in very interesting ways and even if it might be against Vitor and absurd, if you post your images in public you have always reckon with rather negative or unrealistic comments towards the classification of your person. As long as the comments are civil and not totally absurd and sound like trolling, thats ok. We have the right to disagree, as I did with Exeter on this matter, thats what making fora interesting, to share opinions of various people, which are from around the world and spread useful infos and interconnect similar thinking individuals, we simply dont have to agree with each other every time as long as we stay civil and try to argue in a reasonable manner.

In my opinion it was beyond bordering on the absurd and clearly an insult. Unfortunately it was not the first time. Such behavior is not making fora more interesting but even more moronic and discouraging people.

The whole personal context make it even more sad and closer to grotesque.

[Agrippa]

The whole personal context make it even more sad and closer to grotesque.

I didnt followed all he said, but let leave it like that and next time you or Exeter does something wrong, same rules apply to both of you.

[Exeter]

No, you're actually right on that one. I would call it lack of judgment. I understand your feeings on that. I did feel embarrassed when I saw the profile shots. What should have I done? Gone back and edited my post?

I was wrong, and I admit it. I did change my mind. It has nothing to do with this thread though.

Originally Posted by norda

Maybe I was not fair but this was even beyond my patience.
Is it lack of reason, lack of knowledge, or monkey trick to humiliate Vitor?

[zemelmete]

On topic: estonian supermodel Carmen Kass

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by zemelmete

On topic: estonian supermodel Carmen Kass

She has visible Baltid influence but is not typical Baltid imo.