Map of Brittany and other Celtic countries : 0-2000AD

[Youenn]

For Thor Hund :


Britons (Breton) in Great Britain (0) :




Diocesis Britanniarum (300) :



Briton emigration to Armorica (500) :



The period of independent pricipalities (600) :



Brittany united (800) :



Breton kingdom (900) :



The duchy of Brittany (1000) :



The duchy of Brittany (1200) :



The duchy of Brittany (1400) :



The duchy of Brittany (1600) :



"The region of Brittany" (2000) :

[Youenn]

Independence : 2050 ?

[Savage]

Brilliant idea..., and probably more realistic than most are able to imagine and understand...yet.



Thank you very much. for informative maps,....and a useful link.

As often, Norden is poorly covered also in euratlas library as I can see, so if anybody got links to historical maps over Norden, please drop the link...

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

As often, Norden is poorly covered also in euratlas library as I can see, so if anybody got links to historical maps over Norden, please drop the link...

Might not be what you are looking for but it's interesting nonetheless:

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/europe/haxneu.html
http://www.earlymaps.com/europe/scand/scand.htm
http://www.philographikon.com/mapsscandinavia.html

Cheers and have a pleasant and safe weekend.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Youenn

Independence : 2050 ?

I saw one study concluding that a state needs a population at least 250 000 individuals to run an modern administration.

For some nations, regional autonomity may be a useful solution, as for the Sami.

Nice map btw...

[svin]

Of all these possible states the independence of Cornwall is very unlikely, right? Language is lost, even on Isle of Man there are native speakers. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Youenn]

Originally Posted by svin

Of all these possible states the independence of Cornwall is very unlikely, right?

The main problem is the English immigration which is strong (50% english in Cornwall ?). Except this, national identity is increasingly strong if we judge the parties and political movements for the devolution (Mebyon Kernow, Cornish Constitutional Convention, etc.).
Even some English imagine independent Cornwall in the future... :

http://forum.skadi.net/showpost.php?...9&postcount=12

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by svin

Of all these possible states the independence of Cornwall is very unlikely, right? Language is lost, even on Isle of Man there are native speakers. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The last Cornish speaker is said to have died in 1893. From 1904 onwards there was a revival of the Cornish language.

http://www.cornishlanguage.co.uk/history.htm

Originally Posted by Youenn

The main problem is the English immigration which is strong (50% english in Cornwall ?). Except this, national identity is increasingly strong if we judge the parties and political movements for the devolution (Mebyon Kernow, Cornish Constitutional Convention, etc.).

It seems as if MK is getting some growth:

MK’s three candidates in the Penwith District Council Elections on May 4th polled creditably well.

In Penzance South, Deputy Mayor Frank Granger came third in a six-way contest with 240 votes, outpolling Labour, UKIP and Independent candidates. Richard Clark in Promenade Ward took 171 votes. He came third out of four candidates, beating the Labour candidate. In Central Ward, Phil Rendle polled 135 votes, the same percentage he received in a recent by-election.

Commenting on the results, Phil Rendle said:

“MK ‘s results in these contests were credible and we are already looking forward to next years elections when the whole of Penzance Town Council will be up for election.”

http://www.mebyonkernow.org/Public/Stories/223-1.shtml

However, the number of English who have moved into Cornwall in the last decades will prevent further advances.

Even some English imagine independent Cornwall in the future... :

http://forum.skadi.net/showpost.php?...9&postcount=12

I wouldn't take the personal opinions of one or two elements on the internet --and on a forum with a strong Germano-Nordicist bias where advocating self-separation on grounds of germanicity is assumed trendy-- as anything significative.

If it is already impossible for many English not to think of Afro-Caribbeans as British Jamaicans, imagine what it must be not to think of Cornish as British.

Also, think that if the BNP is already a marginal party, he is pointing to something far more marginal than the BNP.

[svin]

Also, think that if the BNP is already a marginal party, he is pointing to something far more marginal than the BNP.

Hm, Serbia and Montenegro is the recent example of peaceful desintegration. Why it can't be applied to the UK? Everything can happen.

What I want to say, I don't think that the idea of separate nations of England, Wales and Scotland (and maybe Cornwall) is something very marginal. Uniting with Ireland on contrary is much more marginal and not very sane.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by svin

Hm, Serbia and Montenegro is the recent example of peaceful desintegration. Why it can't be applied to the UK? Everything can happen.

What I want to say, I don't think that the idea of separate nations of England, Wales and Scotland (and maybe Cornwall) is something very marginal. Uniting with Ireland on contrary is much more marginal and not very sane.

It's gaining momentum, but it's still far from being there. Only time will tell.

I've read that suppport for independence in Wales (I think that it was independence, not devolution) is about 16%.

I found this charter of population trends. Someone might find it useful.

[Youenn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I wouldn't take the personal opinions of one or two elements on the internet --and on a forum with a strong Germano-Nordicist bias where advocating self-separation on grounds of germanicity-- as anything significative.

I don't think it's only Germano-Nordicist on Skadi. I find many sites for the independence of England, they know they lost the struggle against the Welsh and Scotland independence.

Provision of independence to the other British nations � Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, Isle of Man in a type of Celtic Union with a continuation of each original language.

http://www.englishindependence.org.uk/

We are English people who do not like the way England has changed over the last 60 years.

We disassociate ourselves from the decisions of past Conservative and Labour British Governments.

We want to see the Rebirth of England.

Scotland is moving irrevocably towards independence, and Wales is following. We must break our link with Northern Ireland. [They forget Cornwall...]

The creation of an Independent England will be the ideal opportunity to take a completely fresh approach to the kind of society we want.

We call ourselves English nationalists.

We aim to champion the interests of the English and defend the independence, identity and unity of England.

http://www.englishindependenceparty.com


On the contrary, I don't know any French nationalist for the Brittany (or others) independence.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Youenn

On the contrary, I don't know any French nationalist for the Brittany (or others) independence.

In fact, "Francie" - the Oïl language "Sprachraum" - has never been regarded as a historical entity separate of "France", but it is logical if you saw french history.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Salaün

In fact, "Francie" - the Oïl language "Sprachraum" - has never been regarded as a historical entity separate of "France", but it is logical if you saw french history.

Of all of them, Irish unification and Scottish independence are the most likely.
After that Welsh independence (not because they are any less patriotic, but rather because Wales has been united with England for many centuries more than either Scotland or Ireland).

However, I really cannot see Cornwall breaking away from England anytime if the future. While Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are seen as distinct from England within the Union, Cornwall is considered an integral part of England itself. It's no more likely than Yorkshire or Lincolshire in becoming independent, I'm afraid.

[svin]

After that Welsh independence (not because they are any less patriotic, but rather because Wales has been united with England for many centuries more than either Scotland or Ireland).

On the other hand Welsh language is the most spoken Celtic language. And the proportion of Welsh that are able to speak it is growing, according to Wikipedia.

[Youenn]

Originally Posted by Milesian

While Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are seen as distinct from England within the Union, Cornwall is considered an integral part of England itself. It's no more likely than Yorkshire or Lincolshire in becoming independent, I'm afraid.

I understand but if it's really lost, Mebyon Kernow or Cornish Constitutional Convention wouldn't exist, no ?

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Cornwall is considered an integral part of England itself. It's no more likely than Yorkshire or Lincolshire in becoming independent, I'm