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[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

"******,

There are no political parties with a Cornish nationalist agenda other than MK. There is however a group called the Stannary Parliament which is campaigning for a recognition of historic laws to assert Cornwall's right to self-government."

I wish them the best of luck, but being realistic I think Hell will likely freeze over first

Never underestimate the Pryddyn.

I try not to

They will sooner or later, and without the need for Cornwall.

Unfortunately true.

The English started their Diaspora some decades ago. I propose to draw a joint Edict of Expulsion for the forthcoming generation, which should be enforced in 2092 to coincide with the 600th anniversary of the 1492 Edict of Expulsion.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Milesian

I wish them the best of luck, but being realistic I think Hell will likely freeze over first

That's the most likely scenario.

The first time I went to Cornwal, some 12 years ago, I picked up a B&B which bore a Cornish remininscence in the name. As soon as I arrived I got unpleasantly surprised when I found out that the onwers were your typical English from London.

The man told me that they had a corner shop in London, which they had to close down because of the competence by Indian and Paki corner shops. He shyly complained how they were being displaced and how Cornwall was one of the few spots where you could find not too many immigrants.

I then asked him if he didn't feel like one of those immigrants since he was not Cornish and since the English were displacing the Cornish and taking over the small businesses there just like Pakis and Indians did in England.

He answered that in a way yes, but where else could they go.

Similarly, while in the Canary Islands these few months ago, I was in the middle of an argument with a Dane and others about immigration and the ethno-cultural destruction in Europe at the harbour's pub. An Anglo-Saxon looking English seemed to agree. Not the the bar tender, also English but resident in the Canary Islands and with a long time native girlfriend... of course. As I found out that the A-S lived in Cornwall... well.. he said "I am from Cornwall". I looked at him in disbelief and said that he surely meant that "he lived in Cornwall". He admitted that in fact he was from somewhere else in England (can't remember where). Then I went on to say that it wasn't coherent to complain about the displacement of the English by immigrants, when the Cornish were being displaced by English like him.

He looked in anger and wanted to say something. But he walked out the bar and didn't see him again.


In my opinion, the Bretons are being naïve when they welcome the English in Brittany. Sadly, people sometimes learn the hard way.

[Youenn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

In my opinion, the Bretons are being naïve when they welcome the English in Brittany. Sadly, people sometimes learn the hard way.

The last news indicate Englishmen don't come here any more (price of houses ?), we assimilated the Vikings, we will assimilate 16000 English.
On the contrary, after the french riots, Frenchmen arrives more and more.
Wales and the Cornwall have the Englishmen, Brittany have the Frenchmen.

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

In my opinion, the Bretons are being naïve when they welcome the English in Brittany. Sadly, people sometimes learn the hard way.

It seems that Vortigern's descendents need to learn an ancestral lesson

[Menydh]

http://forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?p=82324

[Cirrus]

The last news indicate Englishmen don't come here any more (price of houses ?)

Are you sure ? In Brittany, houses are still less expensive than in the UK.

On the contrary, after the french riots, Frenchmen arrives more and more.

I read once that, in fact, nearly 60% of these french immigrants had breton roots (often grandparents).

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Youenn

On the contrary, after the french riots, Frenchmen arrives more and more.
Wales and the Cornwall have the Englishmen, Brittany have the Frenchmen.

Would you prefer Magrebians, Moroccans, Chinese? I somewhat respect your "ethnic separatism", seeing as at times I feel the same over here, but I would prefer a castillian immigrant to a senegalese anytime.

[Youenn]

Are you sure ? In Brittany, houses are still less expensive than in the UK.

Sure, but there are others destinations less expensive for the englishmen now like west Occitanie (may be Spains ?).

I read once that, in fact, nearly 60% of these french immigrants had breton roots (often grandparents).

I don't know but in Pays Nantais, that isn't the case.

I somewhat respect your "ethnic separatism", seeing as at times I feel the same over here, but I would prefer a castillian immigrant to a senegalese anytime.

Why somewhat ? It's surprising because you have the Cornish flag.
I don't want my country looks like Latvia with 55% indigenous. My land will be called "Frantagne".

[Gil]

I use the Cornish flag because:

a) I don't feel any affiliation with the carlist flag

b) the flag is reminiscent of the "antique" flag of Portugal:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ag1095.svg.png

And you didn't answer my question: as it is immigration is inevitable and seeing that is beyond debate what would you prefer to have in Brittany, a African or another european?

It seems your "problem" is specifically with "french", to whom you don't identify with.

[Youenn]

Originally Posted by Gil

And you didn't answer my question: as it is immigration is inevitable and seeing that is beyond debate what would you prefer to have in Brittany, a African or another european?

Obviously another european but all things considered I prefer no mass immigration.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Youenn

Obviously another european but all things considered I prefer no mass immigration.

I think everyone here shares that ideal.

[Aled]

I lived with a guy from Cornwall last year, he could speak a little Kernow and I could even understand a bit of it (me being a native welsh speaker). He told me about the independance movement down there and about MK Meybon Kernow which translates to (i think) sons of cornwall. The only problem youve got is that there are 0.5 Million in Cornwall but only 300 people who can speak the Language to a fluent degree. On the upside it is now being taught in primary schools. Language isn;t the be-all and end all, but if you compare Scotland for instance, they were incorporated in 1707 but still got to keep a fair few bits of their establishment and importantly their Law. Contrast this with the Welsh who in 1282 got annexed by the English and we lost everything (nearly) we lost our legal system and sentenced to hundreds of years as second class citizens enslaved by the English. There was one thing they couldn't take away from us, and that was the Language, but we nearly lost that, and what saved it was a simple book you may have heard of it, the bible which was translated by William Morgan in 1588.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Aled

I lived with a guy from Cornwall last year, he could speak a little Kernow

That would be Kernowek (Cornish). Kernow means Cornwall.

and I could even understand a bit of it (me being a native welsh speaker). He told me about the independance movement down there and about MK Meybon Kernow which translates to (i think) sons of cornwall.

That would be Mebyon Kernow. I believe that it means something like Assembly or Party for Cornwall, but don't quote me on this one.

Mebyon Kernow is not a movement for the independence of Cornwall, but for decentralization and greater autonomy.

The only problem youve got is that there are 0.5 Million in Cornwall but only 300 people who can speak the Language to a fluent degree.

The Cornish language was officially deceased in 1906 when the last native speaker died. What you have today is a revival of the language with different proposal of the ortography and phonology.

On the upside it is now being taught in primary schools. Language isn;t the be-all and end all, but if you compare Scotland for instance, they were incorporated in 1707 but still got to keep a fair few bits of their establishment and importantly their Law. Contrast this with the Welsh who in 1282 got annexed by the English and we lost everything (nearly) we lost our legal system and sentenced to hundreds of years as second class citizens enslaved by the English. There was one thing they couldn't take away from us, and that was the Language, but we nearly lost that, and what saved it was a simple book you may have heard of it, the bible which was translated by William Morgan in 1588.

The problem is that being Left and Nationalist is a gross contradiction. Nationalism is (must be) based on ethnic premises, not merely on language. Language can be an element of cohesion, but it is not even absolutely necessary for Nationalism to be. Consider the case of Ireland where the Gaelic language is still far from being spoken by the majority of the Irish.

Another comment about Cornwall, is the incidence that has on Cornwall the current non European immigration in England. This has provoked an ongoing migration of Anglo-Saxon English to areas less polluted by the non European immigration. In turn, this creates an augment of a population with an English/British allegiance in detriment of the Cornish autoctonous population.

Now, the only possible proposal that a Left-minded policies could propose here to be consistent with their political nature, would be that the English learned the Cornish language. Without a vast majority of autoctonous Cornish population, this is a forced artificiality.

[Aled]

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Originally Posted by Aled
I lived with a guy from Cornwall last year, he could speak a little Kernow

That would be Kernowek (Cornish). Kernow means Cornwall.


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and I could even understand a bit of it (me being a native welsh speaker). He told me about the independance movement down there and about MK Meybon Kernow which translates to (i think) sons of cornwall.
That would be Mebyon Kernow. I believe that it means something like Assembly or Party for Cornwall, but don't quote me on this one.

Mebyon Kernow is not a movement for the independence of Cornwall, but for decentralization and greater autonomy.

Well i got the sons from doing >>> Mebyon to the Welsh Meibion which means Sons, there was a Welsh nationalist group back in the 70's and 80's called Meibion Glyndwr that went about burning down English peoples holiday homes and planting bombs on railway lines to kill the "Prince of Wales" sadly it did not succeed.

The problem is that being Left and Nationalist is a gross contradiction. Nationalism is (must be) based on ethnic premises, not merely on language. Language can be an element of cohesion, but it is not even absolutely necessary for Nationalism to be. Consider the case of Ireland where the Gaelic language is still far from being spoken by the majority of the Irish.

Nationalism cannot be based on any ethnic pretext since as it is an invented construct, language is merely another construct used to highten this sense. Language can be used as Linda Colley said as constructing the 'Other' something to unite against, this is also viewed in the forging odf British national identity during the French and Revolutionary wars, most notibly in Nazi Germany against the jews.

As for Celtic Cornish blood line, much like Anglo-saxon blood line they have been compleatley bred out through migration patterns spanning from the norman conquest to the more recent industrial revolution.

Im new to this forum and i saw your name Mynydd and i was wondering whether this has anything to do with the welsh meaning of the word?

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Aled

Well i got the sons from doing >>> Mebyon to the Welsh Meibion which means Sons, there was a Welsh nationalist group back in the 70's and 80's called Meibion Glyndwr that went about burning down English peoples holiday homes and planting bombs on railway lines to kill the "Prince of Wales" sadly it did not succeed.

The Sons of Glyndwr sound similar in tactics to Scottish Watch and Settler Watch in Scotland.

Nationalism cannot be based on any ethnic pretext since as it is an invented construct, language is merely another construct used to highten this sense. Language can be used as Linda Colley said as constructing the 'Other' something to unite against, this is also viewed in the forging odf British national identity during the French and Revolutionary wars, most notibly in Nazi Germany against the jews.

I think you are confusing Statist Nationalism with Ethnic Nationalism here.
Of course, there can be no such thing as British Nationalism because in ethnic terms there is no British nation. England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are nations. Britain is a political union of these nations, ie. a State.
To be in favour of Britain is to be Unionist, not Nationalist.

As for Celtic Cornish blood line, much like Anglo-saxon blood line they have been compleatley bred out through migration patterns spanning from the norman conquest to the more recent industrial revolution.

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