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Greetings to all Celts!

I've been doing some research on the condition of the Celtic languages today, mainly those spoken on the British Isles. However, it is always more interesting to have a discussion and hear the views of those who are there, on the 'front', so to speak, and who are living the situation as it develops.

I've always been somewhat intersted in the 'Celts', (I know its a rather wide-ranging term) specifically those of the British Isles and in Brittany. The Irish in particular appeal to me. It seems us Finns and Irish share a lot, in terms of (enlightenment to modern) history, at least. For example The national awakening of the 19th Century, foreign rule and oppression, independence and subsequent civil war and so on.
Of coure, both nations appreciate alcohol to a great extent. Also the melancholic nature and stubborness run paralell.

So, I would very much like to know what the state of the different Celtic (Goidelic, Brythonic, etc,) languages are in their respective homelands, and what are the trends pointing towards. I have heard that there has been signs of revival of the Irish language and that their speakers are increasing. I am interested in what you think is the future of these languages. Will they slowly die among native speakers and become extinct, only to be studied as second languages, or will they experience a renaissance and become dominant in their homelands once more?

I look forward to your answers, cheers.
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Don't forget Breton language. Couls you be more precise about what you need to know?
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He did mention the family of the Breton language: Brythonic (Breton, Welsh and Cornish).
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What about continental Celtic, such as Galician and Gaulish?

Damned Romans and their language...

Just joking, but there's still quite a lote of Celtic vocabulary in the Iberian languages (including Basque), especially in toponims.
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What about continental Celtic, such as Galician and Gaulish?
There is no trace left of a Celtic language in Galicia. There is, however, written evidence of the Celtiberian language (assumed to be a Continental Celtic language written with the Iberian alphabet).

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Just joking, but there's still quite a lote of Celtic vocabulary in the Iberian languages (including Basque), especially in toponims.
Specially in the pronounciation in the Castilian language (a.k.a. Spanish), assumedly through the Cantabrians.
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Native Gaelic speaking populations in Scotland.
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Interesting that the areas where there is a larger concentration of Gaelic speakers in Ireland, coincide with the larger R1b percentages in population. Isn't it the same for Scotland?
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Interesting that the areas where there is a larger concentration of Gaelic speakers in Ireland, coincide with the larger R1b percentages in population.
Well, it's basically the down to the same reason.
Invaders in Ireland tend to come from the east. Thus you have the English establishing their main bastion of influence, The Pale, around the area of Dublin.
The most remotest parts being the west, not only geographically but therefore also genetically and linguistically - these areas have generally had the least degree of contact with incomers.

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coincide with the larger R1b percentages in population. Isn't it the same for Scotland?
It's somewhat similar. Again, in the NE you would have had quite a bit of Norse influence and in the SE you had Angle input too.
The west would have been areas settled by the Gaels (although not an insignificant Norse input in the western islands too).
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For it is certain that Ireland hath had the use of letters very anciently and long before England; that they had letters anciently is nothing doubtful, for the Saxons of England are said to have their letters and learning, and learned men, from the Irish.
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- Heinrich Zimmer, Professor of Celtic and Sanskrit, Member of the Prussian Academy of Sciences
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How many of them speak a celtic language at home?
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How many of them speak a celtic language at home?
There are no monoglot speakers anymore, those died out in the 19th century with An Gorta Mor. However, the people living in the Gaeltachtai speak a Celtic language as their first tongue.
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The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation.
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However, the people living in the Gaeltachtai speak a Celtic language as their first tongue.
I wondered what a Gaeltachtai was. Apparently each of the areas where Gaelic is spoken as a first language, which together form the Gaeltacht or Gaeldom, in Ireland.



Its equivalent in Scotland is the Gàidhealtachd, which is represented in the map posted by Highland Thistle:

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I wondered what a Gaeltachtai was. Apparently each of the areas where Gaelic is spoken as a first language, which together form the Gaeltacht or Gaeldom, in Ireland.
That's right, although to be more accurate - Gaeltacht is the singular whilst Gaeltachtai is the plural
They have official recognition within the nation - although they are already trying to make English mandatory in school lessons there now, and suggesting foreign road signs for the immigrants. Sad.
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- Edmund Curtis (A History of Ireland: From Earliest Times to 1922)

The Irish are one of the most ancient nations that I know of at this end of the world, and are from as mighty a race as the world ever brought forth.
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- Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596).

The renaissance began in Ireland seven hundred years before it was known in Italy. And Armagh, the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, was at one time the metropolis of civilisation.
- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature

Ireland can indeed lay claim to a great past; she can not only boast of having been the birthplace and abode of high culture in the fifth and sixth centuries . . . but also of having made strenous efforts in the seventh and up to the tenth century to spread her learning among the German and Romance peoples, thus forming the actual fountain of our present continental civilisation.
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Don't forget Breton language.
Indeed. Hundred years ago, the Breton language was the most spoken Celtic language, before Welsh. But now, and thanks to France, it will probably become the least spoken. But of course, as some say, this evolution is "normal".
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Save your language.I'm glad that for a few years exists Serbian-Gaelige dictionary.As we Serbs say: ''Speak Serbian,and whole world will understand you''.
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Is there any connection between Gaeligue and Baskque languages?
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