Congoids in Oceania?

[Señor Malo]

I ask this question because in many "old fashioned" encyclopaedias I've found that some aborigines of Micronesia, New Guinea and other SE Asia / Oceania locations were labelled as "black races" together with congoids and separated from the australid ones. I think amog these peoples labelled as "black races" were the veddoids, the Micronesian and other pacific Islanders (I don't remember which ones, exactly)

The inhabitants of Pacific Archipelagus are either mongolid, either australids, right?

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Talking about the Negritos?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Talking about the Negritos?

They were also in the same basquet acc. to the encyclos I've seen

[Galaico]

Genetic evidence suggests that all these Papuans or Melanesian "blacks" are actually much closer to South East Asians and Australian aborigines than to Sub-Saharan Africans.

In fact, all non-African people cluster together when compared to Black Africans, but among that cluster, it is the Europids the ones who are closer to Sub-Saharan Africans.

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by Galaico

Genetic evidence suggests that all these Papuans or Melanesian "blacks" are actually much closer to South East Asians and Australian aborigines than to Sub-Saharan Africans.

In fact, all non-African people cluster together when compared to Black Africans, but among that cluster, it is the Europids the ones who are closer to Sub-Saharan Africans.

I find it unbelievable, where did you heard that information???

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Ostrogorski

I find it unbelievable, where did you heard that information???

"Genes, Peoples, and Languages" by Cavalli-Sforza.

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by Galaico

"Genes, Peoples, and Languages" by Cavalli-Sforza.

Let me paraphrase my question, what do you think, as you are more experienced in these matters than me, how true is that statement?

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by Ostrogorski

Let me paraphrase my question, what do you think, as you are more experienced in these matters than me, how true is that statement?

If an expert geneticist says so, then it must be true.

[Señor Malo]

I think Coon regarded negroids as a composite race with khoisianid and caucasoid admixture; who knows? may be Cavalli-Sforza concmusions might proove that coon said truth?

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

But even to say: Congoids in Oceania, isn't it a contradiction in terms?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Plethon

But even to say: Congoids in Oceania, isn't it a contradiction in terms?

In fact congoid is just a conventional designation for negroids, nothing else.
The afro-americans to take a single exemple are predominantly congoids in race even if they are not living in Congo.

Now the thing is that many anthropologist used to believe that melanesid were of the same race of the african negroes but further anatomical ocmparation the ressemblance was vague and that in fact belong to the so-called australoid greater family

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

In fact congoid is just a conventional designation for negroids, nothing else.
The afro-americans to take a single exemple are predominantly congoids in race even if they are not living in Congo.

Really? I always thought of Congoids as being one sub-racial group within the larger racial designation of Negroids.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Really? I always thought of Congoids as being one sub-racial group within the larger racial designation of Negroids.

there was a time I think when australids and negroids where grouped under a same "greater black race" but now they are considered as two distinct races; While australids are closer in form to the first homo sapiens, negroids (=congoids in modern terminology) seem to be a relative recent specialisation

From the glossary of SNPA (though I do not share their concept of "nordish, his glossary and general info are quite good reference:

NEGRID (Africoid; Congoid (Coon); Ethiopian or Black race (Blumenbach); Homo sapiens afer; Negroid)

One of the major subspecies or races of Homo sapiens, indigenous to Sub-Saharan Africa. Negrids are characterized by dolichocephaly (excepting Paleo-Negrids and some Bambutids), prognathism, chamaerrhiny, dark brown to blue-black skin and frizzy black hair. There are a series of subvarieties or clinal end-types, including Sudanid ("standard" Negrid), Paleo-Negrid, Nilotid, Bambutid, Kafrid and Aethiopid.


And

AUSTRALID (Homo sapiens australasicus; New Holland Race (Agassiz))

One of the major subspecies or races of Homo sapiens; the type of the Australian Aborigines, including the semi-extinct Tasmanians. Like the Veddid race of South Asia, the Australid has retained much of the generalized Pleistocene sapiens morphology. It is characterized by a long, low and narrow head, a low, broad and oval face with a receding forehead, a strongly marked supraorbital region, a rather broad, typically concave nose springing from a deep nasion depression, and very strong prognathy. The eyeballs are deep-set, and the lips are thick. The skin ranges from brown to dark brown. Pilous growth is strong; the hair is usually wavy, sometimes frizzy, and typically dark brown or black, although lighter, more reddish tones do occur. The eyes are dark brown. Subtypes: Barrinean, Carpentarian, Murrayian, and Tasmanid.

[Ostrogorski]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

I think Coon regarded negroids as a composite race with khoisianid and caucasoid admixture; who knows? may be Cavalli-Sforza concmusions might proove that coon said truth?

What about the relations between khoisanids and australoids + related (sub)races???

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Ostrogorski

What about the relations between khoisanids and australoids + related (sub)races???

I do not know, this is totally new for me, never herd about it before.

[Cirrus]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Really? I always thought of Congoids as being one sub-racial group within the larger racial designation of Negroids.

Maybe you confuse with Paleonegrid ?

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

Maybe you confuse with Paleonegrid ?

No, believe me. They used to make a taxon for the australian aborigines and another taxon for african blacks to whom they stick melanesids aswell