[split] Attempting to define and clarify Judaism

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Visigodo

I am not sure but can have german origin. "Färber" is a german word that means "Dyer" I supose. The pictures are not very good but seems to be Atlantid or Atlanto-Mediterranean with strong Dinarid admixture.

Thank you very much.
The drawback with Frp is their servile attitude to USA/Israel, so I like to keep an eye on the jewification on Frp. I am happy to hear that my suspicion in this case probably is wrong.


Why? I consider jews to have double loyality, then first to their own people, second to the nation they reside in. I find such double roles highly unuseful. Jews should not be electable, only for that reason, no racism involved in this conclusion.

[Menydh]

Thore, I've hijacked your post from the classification thread and split it so to allow myself to debate an issue which is of relative general interest.

You were trying to uncover the Jew hidden on a particular individual from the Norwegian political spectrum, on mere anthropological/racial bases. This is, in my opinion, flawed. While it is true that many Jews belong to one given racial subgroup, it is also true that many others are mixed enough to be able to pass as Gentiles among the Gentiles. They have been performing this ethnic camouflage for a very long time, probably ever since 70 AD when Titus entered Jerusalem with his legions.

The problem, therefore, is not merely racial. Judaism is more dangerous than a simple series of ethno-social characteristics coming from a racially identifiable group. Judaism has transcended the group identified as Jewish, infiltrating itself into their host societies and groups, and adopting part of their forms while at the same time modifying others.

I'll give some examples, but before I move forward in this issue allow me to insert a small introduction on another issue. I've noticed that some people maintain a much openly hostile attitude against Christianism. This hostility is based on two misconceptions by the Neo-Pagans: one that Christianism invaded/substituted the spiritual terrains of Paleo-Paganism, and the other that Christianism is a Semitic religion and therefore equals somehow to Hebrewism.

For the first, a brief comment just to say that Neo-Paganism seems to forget about the evolutive nature of man. An evolutive nature that does not stop only at the physical, but it goes beyond into the spiritual. This is easy to see if when you realize that Christianism did not limit itself to simply substitute the old religions, but adopted them and much of those ancient Paleo-Pagan religions can be found in Christianism. Something that Neo-Paganism presents as a mere robbery, but which in fact it is more of an evolutive process in the spirituality of the Europeans.

As for Christianism being a Semitic religion, the argument is flawed among other reasons for its extreme simplicity. When a Neo-Pagan accuses Christianism of being Semitic, he expects Christians to provide evidence that deny such accusation. This is lazy, but above all it is wrong. It is the accuser who should provide solid evidence for his accusations.

I've pointed to the flawed simplicity of the argument because in common speak the word christianism is far from defining a unitary spiritual view or religion. And it is here where this short clause starts to link with the original issue.

I come from a Catholic Tradition and education. I haven't seen any Judaism or pro-Judaism in the Catholic Tradition in which I was educated in Spain. Rather the opposite. If I look into the history of Christianism, all I see is an spiritual belief moulded in the spirit of the European peoples and which provided the first and strongest ideology to counter Judaism.

I can attest this for the Catholic as well as the Orthodox Churches. I'm not all that sure about the Protestand Churches. As part of the Reform, there came Calvinism. And it is the Calvinist doctrine that you see Judaism infiltrating in the spiritual terrains of the Gentile peoples of Europe.

As Werner Sombart consistently shows (you can read his work The Jews and Modern Capitalism here), Calvinism was heavy influenced by the Marranos, the Jewish false converts to Christianism, who used it as a form of revenge against the persecution that they went through in the Spains, and to start a process of destruction to what was the bastion against their advance, namely the Church and Spain.

Calvinism, or more exactly Neo-Judaism, rooted in some countries of NW Europe. In Spain, attempts to Neo-Judaism were dealt with by the Inquisition, and their adepts condemned for the crime known as judaising. Under different denominations --English Puritans, Dutch Reformed Church, French Huguenots, Scottish Presbyterians, German Anabaptists, ...--, they grew in the societies of those countries where they became a basic an important element to the creation and development of those countries.

The Dutch Trade Empire was led by them. Britain starts its development as a World Empire since the arrival of these Jews. The cancer grows as part of those societies, and from there they spread it to their colonies. America, in its foundations, is Judaic and the Jews and Neo-Judaics are present there since the start.

Back to the original issue of the post, you look for a ethno-antropological trait which may help you find a Jew, or you may look for an adherence to a visible Judaic doctrine, Hebrewism. Yet the process started many centuries ago and it is no longer enough because there has been a mutation through centuries-long camouflage. He may look like the average Dutch.. or American. He needs not go to a synagogue, because he may be adherent to any of the Calvinist sects, or any of the new so-called christian identity sects in America. In fact he need not be of Jewish origins at all. He is soaking with Judaism be it through the Judaic society in which he lives or through generations of Calvinist teachings.

It is not biological racism that we should hope for. It is the spirituality and of the ethical values of our people that we must look forward to preserve. In them lies the nation, and only through them the ethnical preservation of a nation makes sense. For some, however, it is already too late as what they perceive as national is already much tainted with this seed of evil.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Thore, I've hijacked your post from the classification thread and split it so to allow myself to debate an issue which is of relative general interest.

You were trying to uncover the Jew hidden on a particular individual from the Norwegian political spectrum, on mere anthropological/racial bases.

The leftwing in Norway have to a lesser degree also been infiltrated.



We also had a jewish Parliament President Jo Benkow
from Høyre, the conservatives.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Benkow

Bibliografi
Fra synagogen til Løvebakken (1985); From Synagogue to Parliament
Folkevalgt (1988); Elected by the People
Haakon, Maud og Olav. Et minnealbum i tekst og bilder (1989); Haakon, Maud and Olav. A Memorial Album of Text and Images
Hundre år med konge og folk (1990); A Hundred Years with King and Nation
Olav – menneske og monark (1991); Olav – Man and Monarch
Det ellevte bud (1994, with afterword by Elie Wiesel); The Eleventh Commandment


I like to know, because I do not trust their integrity.
Our former PP Jo Benkow was on a private holiday in Israel (as Israels guest???) while he was president. He also inspected the Daimona reactor, and served thereby as Norways blessing to Israels nuclear arms program. This were in conflict with Norways official attitude on the case.

He received some critics for that most corrupted mixing of roles. When it also came into public light that he had received two precious diamonds as a gift from the state Israel, and had smuggled them into the Norway without declearing them, he received more critics. But it was all hushed down. " He just had forgot it..."

This is what we know of the corrupt PP rolls. But what we know, is always the top of an iceberg, compared to what we not know. I have searched the web for references on this, but finds nothing. I suspect it all has been removed by Mossad. The Norwegian attempt in February to boycott Israel was duly hacked, and the boycot collapsed. I bet a pizza, that the hacking was initiated from Tel Aviv.

Another thing I cannot prove, but suspect very strong, is that Israelian intelligence are enrolling Norwegian jewish youth for traing camps in Israel, for then to send them back to spy and scrutinze any thinkable opponents of Israel in Norway. It would suprise me if they did not. But I have indications.

Practical, the problem with jews in the parliament may be illustrated by this example. Who Norway buys and sells arms to are decided by the parliament, Stortinget.

Our fighter planes are now dependent on Israelian hardware (for the rocket firing systems, I think) I would say a rather unlucky situation to be in. And how can we ever trust to detect the eventual implied pro-Israel security-bugs programmed in there? Of course this dependence on Israel has been initiated after pressure from USA, and the servants of Israel in norwegian politics.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Calvinism, or more exactly Neo-Judaism, rooted in some countries of NW Europe. In Spain, attempts to Neo-Judaism were dealt with by the Inquisition, and their adepts condemned for the crime known as judaising. Under different denominations --English Puritans, Dutch Reformed Church, French Huguenots, Scottish Presbyterians, German Anabaptists, ...--, they grew in the societies of those countries where they became a basic an important element to the creation and development of those countries.

Thank you very much for a well written essay, and I considers it seriously.

However I shall not involve in any discussion on christianity here, that would cathalyse a crusade on me, and make it impossible for me to post here.

How other countries conducts their domestic affairs are generally their own business, as long as its consequenzes are to live with for the neighbours.

In our new national Norwegian culture forum, christianity in Norway will however be treated as it once treated our own religion.( Launched later this summer )

But Norway is in a quite other situation than for example some catholic countries. Our country is more or less dechristianized, and the churches are cold and empty buildings. Christianity is rapidly losing terrain here.

The witchburnings in Northern Norway took not an end until about 1700.
http://www.geocities.com/hoeholthus/aphh.html
http://uit.no/nyheter/tromsoflaket/2943

I believe that if the church had power to do so, they still would have burned people. I see the church as the Devils embassy on earth. No heavenly powers behind, only earthly. The clerks of the church are as holy as junkies to me.

And when it comes to God, after what I have found out, he/she/it has never been a christian nor anything else such. He knows my true colors, and I have so far had no problems with that? I also consider any prophets as unnescessary and standing in the light. Like remains of an earlier spiritual evolutory phase.

To be honest, we does not consider with why dechristianize Norway, but how, and how soon, and get our own Gods back in the high seat again. We consider it mundane healing of a sick nation, by christianity reduced to a flock of fear-infected selfdenying PC sheeps. We will try to transform these to wolfs, to sire a healthy tribe again.

Personally, I was baptized by force at the age of 4 1/2, I protested loud and clear, came me loose from the grip of the bad-breath priest, and ran down the left sideship, trying to escape. But I was physically stopped and taken to that altar and baptized by force against my crystal clear screaming protests. I certainly never forgive that attempt on spiritual rape.

All through my childhood I have had a distinct aversion against christianity, Jesus, the believers, the bible, churches, priests, psalms, and the whole consept. As a matter of fact I can smell christians, believe it or not. So Norway, I will do all my best to dechristianize, together with my Norwegian allies, with similar ideas as me. And there is no such pathetic exsistents as "satanists" in my company.

Also I believe that Jesus was not cruzified, and that takes away the whole fundament of the church, as I experience it.

How other conducts their countries is not our business. But I understand the nescessety of diplomatic relations with nondechriztianized nationalist forces in Europe. But not in Norway, here we have other plans.

I have been stupidly honest here, but I have at least raised my flagg, bright and clear, and with true colors... It is also lucky that God seems to hold his hand over fools, so I feelt I got blessed anyway.

And to me the names of God may as well be Asthor (R.O.T.A.S.), Odin, Frey, Freya, Amon Ra, Brahman, Shiva, Pan, Jehova, Mazda Ahura, you name it. This post may be enough to ruin my membership here, but I take that risk.

But I do not want to discuss christianity, just showing by banner, so now you know where you have me. You may attack me on this, but I will try to ignore it. I posted this to declear myself according to the former post, above here.

Your posting is so symphatic and good, I really wish I could agree with you in all Sir, but that would be lies. I do however support European nationalists no matter if they are christians. They are still whites, and we have the same continent to clean up first no matter what. The moosleems and the jews and their servants must be detronized first, and much unexpected may and will occure during the battle the next 30 years.

So, my fullhearthed support to european nationalists no matter if you are christians, to run and rule your house as you will, we run and rule our house according to our own wills. And I still learn, and what I learn here and in other forums will be analyzed and used in Norway.

An example, only six months ago, I was rather pro-american. But what I have experienced of american activities online the latest 6 months, has convinced me that US americans shall have a specially high threshold to climb over, to get admittance to any Norwegian nationalist/culture forum that I have something to say in.

All the best from a sworen heretic!