Would Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

Quebec is catholic. There are a lot of french-canadians in traditionalist catholic communities.

Support nationalist Québec!

[Gil]

Originally Posted by imperator

Quebec is catholic. There are a lot of french-canadians in traditionalist catholic communities.

Support nationalist Québec!

Why? Support Quebec because they are catholic? That makes no sense, at least for me, even if they are catholic they are mostly for historical reasons (french colonists being catholic while anglo-saxon colonists being of different protestant faiths) and not for any specific faith-related issue.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by imperator

Quebec is catholic. There are a lot of french-canadians in traditionalist catholic communities.

Support nationalist Québec!

But Quebecers/Québécois are not descendants of Huguenots.

[Wilkolak]

Getting back to the original topic, America will always be stronger and more influential than Europe, because Europe is completely divided along nationalistic lines, there is no sense of unity, and no matter how much people complain, there will be more and more American influence and immigration from the third world into Europe, simply because all European nations (apart from Russia, and arguably Germany) are too small to really have anything to say.

In the words of Mel Gibson: UNITE THE CLANS!

Oh, and supporting a nationalist Quebec? What the hell is that? Dividing increases the weakness that is Europe.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by imperator

Quebec is catholic. There are a lot of french-canadians in traditionalist catholic communities.

Support nationalist Québec!

Apparently it's hard for some to understand that the aim of Stirpes is to support the nations of Europe.

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Getting back to the original topic, America will always be stronger and more influential than Europe, because Europe is completely divided along nationalistic lines, there is no sense of unity, and no matter how much people complain, there will be more and more American influence and immigration from the third world into Europe, simply because all European nations (apart from Russia, and arguably Germany) are too small to really have anything to say.

And what do you suggest? Going into Pan-European Federalism and becoming yet another identityless mongrel like America? We already have the European Union to do that..

Oh, and supporting a nationalist Quebec? What the hell is that? Dividing increases the weakness that is Europe.

What does Quebec have to do with Europe?

Originally Posted by Duchemin

But Quebecers/Québécois are not descendants of Huguenots.

Ok, they're catholics, but Menydh think other thing.

P.S.: the idea of Europe is a catholic Idea (Hillaire Belloc). You can read "Europe and the Faith".

[Gil]

Originally Posted by imperator

Ok, they're catholics, but Menydh think other thing.

P.S.: the idea of Europe is a catholic Idea (Hillaire Belloc). You can read "Europe and the Faith".

I'm sorry but that would mean alot of african nations could be considered "european" and that makes no sense at all.

[Nerthus]

Yeah, and there are non-Catholic European nations and even regions within countries. What about the Protestant? Burn in hell, heretics?

[Wilkolak]

And what do you suggest? Going into Pan-European Federalism and becoming yet another identityless mongrel like America? We already have the European Union to do that..

That is precisely what I am suggesting. You hold onto this "identity" as if it will help any of the Western countries in their current situations (Americanization, non-white immigrants, culture loss). So you suggest total nationalism in Europe and preservation of the identity? In that case, there should be a million and one pathetic little excuses for nations in Europe (Wallonian nation, Flemmish nation, Basque nation, Sorb nation, Montenegro, Kosovo, German Switzerland, French Switzerland, Italian Switzerland, French Luxembourg, German Luxemburg, Romanian Moldavia, Russian Moldavia, Pomerania, Britanny, Normandy, Alsace etc. etc. Hell, why not Saar while you are at it?), and what kind of influence would they have? Cutting off from EU policy and pursuing their own path would mean sanctioning and due to the size of these little areas, they would not be able to function alone. There should be one, strong empire/state, with the nations of Europe as independent states within a Commonwealth (like the CIS for example, or the UK has it right in terms of nations within a state (Europe should utilize this)), but with the rest of Europe to back them up in their decisions, whatever they may be, without fear of outside influence. Europe would be able to do whatever they wanted, if only they were completely united, and the identity/culture could still be kept by those who need it, as it is in America even (Polish, Italian, Irish , German, British, Russian, Norwegian, Dutch, Ukrainian etc. communities).

What does Quebec have to do with Europe?

Nothing, but you completely missed my point. What I meant was this subdivision of nations is ridiculous, especially in the European sphere.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by imperator

Ok, they're catholics, but Menydh think other thing.

Says who? you?

Try to make some sense on the next time.

P.S.: the idea of Europe is a catholic Idea (Hillaire Belloc).

Not in absolute terms. And Belloc also said a number of very stupid things.

[svin]

Originally Posted by imperator

Ok, they're catholics, but Menydh think other thing.

P.S.: the idea of Europe is a catholic Idea (Hillaire Belloc). You can read "Europe and the Faith".

How are people of Quebec are different from New England WASPs, for example? In their relation to Europe. They are all descendants of Europeans.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

That is precisely what I am suggesting. You hold onto this "identity" as if it will help any of the Western countries in their current situations (Americanization, non-white immigrants, culture loss).

I hold to MY identity, Spain. In a common space called Europe. It is precisely the Pan-European Federalism that is a "western" construct that leads to americanisation, immigration, loss of culture and identity, etc.

So you suggest total nationalism in Europe and preservation of the identity?

Yes. I suggest and support the preservation of the various national identities of Europe, and their national sovereignties. First and foremost mine, Spanish, but also others including yours, Polish.

Why? Do you not support the preservation of your national identity.. and of mine and that of others?

In that case, there should be a million and one pathetic little excuses for nations in Europe (Wallonian nation, Flemmish nation, Basque nation, Sorb nation, Montenegro, Kosovo, German Switzerland, French Switzerland, Italian Switzerland, French Luxembourg, German Luxemburg, Romanian Moldavia, Russian Moldavia, Pomerania, Britanny, Normandy, Alsace etc. etc. Hell, why not Saar while you are at it?)

Some are nations, some are not.

See the definition of Natio, -nis.

and what kind of influence would they have? Cutting off from EU policy and pursuing their own path would mean sanctioning and due to the size of these little areas, they would not be able to function alone.

Not agreeing with the EU or any other construct around Pan-European Federalism does not imply not believing in Europe as a bloc of influence and common interests.

Further to that, any construct which implies a degree of national identity should be deemed, per definition, anti-European.

There should be one, strong empire/state, with the nations of Europe as independent states within a Commonwealth (like the CIS for example, or the UK has it right in terms of nations within a state (Europe should utilize this))

The UK has strangled the national identities of Scotland and Cornwall. Your proposal sounds pretty much like the French Republic. And we know how it ends.

but with the rest of Europe to back them up in their decisions, whatever they may be

What you are saying is actually abiding to the decisions that it takes, whatever they maybe i.e. whether they imply losing national identity and sovereignty, or not.

Why don't you all surrender to me, and I'll tell you what you have to do? Where would the difference lie?

without fear of outside influence.

How about for outside influence a federal-like state which is alien to Europe?

Europe would be able to do whatever they wanted, if only they were completely united, and the identity/culture could still be kept by those who need it

That is what is happening today, with the EU. We are losing our identity to an uniformed mass, and our sovereignty to a bunch of useless eurocrats.

as it is in America even (Polish, Italian, Irish , German, British, Russian, Norwegian, Dutch, Ukrainian etc. communities).

Except for a few American freaks on the internet on a desperate quest for a pretended identity, most of America is a big ethno-cultural mongrel and will continue growing fast and steadily into that direction in the future.

If you believe that the American model is an example, then I am not surprised that you say things like "[...] the identity/culture could still be kept for those who need it."

Nothing, but you completely missed my point. What I meant was this subdivision of nations is ridiculous, especially in the European sphere.

The preservation of national sovereignty is not any subdivision.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Says who? you?

Try to make some sense on the next time.

Not in absolute terms. And Belloc also said a number of very stupid things.

I don't understand your conception, you're not christian, are you? and then you don't like Belloc. Europe is a catholic construction; protestantism, liberalism, NS, marxism are deformations.
Protestants, freemasons, liberals, marxists = Jews
NS = Pagans

Aeterna Roma! Christus Vinces!

[Gil]

Originally Posted by imperator

I don't understand your conception, you're not christian, are you? and then you don't like Belloc. Europe is a catholic construction; protestantism, liberalism, NS, marxism are deformations.
Protestants, freemasons, liberals, marxists = Jews
NS = Pagans

Aeterna Roma! Christus Vinces!

I beg to differ. Catholicism is a european religion and responsible for the spirituality and culture if Europe, i'll grant you that, but the Orthodox Church and the Protestant faiths were also responsible for the cultural richness of Europe. Mixing socio-political stances with religion isn't really appropriate and stating that just because one isn't catholic one cannot understand the point being discussed is a rather arrogant attitude. Christianity forged and shaped Europe, that is true, but I don't consider the Catholic Church "more important" than the Greek Orthodox Church or the various national (protestant) churchs.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by imperator

I don't understand your conception, you're not christian, are you?

I am by tradition.

Europe is a catholic construction

In its inception it was Christendom. Yes. But the matter for such was there before Christianity itself, and most important modern Europe has an identity of itself.

You are an American, and thus you live far away from the reality of modern Europe. The views of Americans on Europe, be them Hispano-Americans or Anglo-Americans, are distorted and much annoying when discussing European politics and nationalism in Europe.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Manji

Christianity forged and shaped Europe, that is true, but I don't consider the Catholic Church "more important" than the Greek Orthodox Church or the various national (protestant) churchs.

Leaving the schisms in Christianity aside, I would say that all are acceptable to Europe except for Calvinism and its sects, which is Neo-Judaic.