Che Guevara

[Sifjar]

Che Guevara a Marxist and a revolutionary figure, he still lives in the heart of many contemporary souls such as me. So share your views with me.

[Martín Zalacaín]

I don't mind about Che Guevara, I just hate all the hype around him after his death, spreaded mainly by bo-bos, living-room-marxists, and ignorant rebellious teenagers. He was a succesful guerrillero and a useless politician. I'm sure that, wherever he is, he is fed up with all the cult-like propaganda around his figure (or shall I say about his famous picture?), and the use of the aforementioned image for comercial purposes.

The pic you added is a good example of what I'm talking about.

[Aptrgangr]

He did not fight for the ideals of freedom and social justice - so

[Strengthandhonour]

I like how you can find shoes and t-shirts among many other products with his face on it. People who support this garbage are supporting what he stood against..

[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

He did not fight for the ideals of freedom and social justice - so

You are right. Furthermore, he was of european descent, therefore he was racist.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Gonzalvus

I don't mind about Che Guevara, I just hate all the hype around him after his death, spreaded mainly by bo-bos, living-room-marxists, and ignorant rebellious teenagers. He was a succesful guerrillero and a useless politician. I'm sure that, wherever he is, he is fed up with all the cult-like propaganda around his figure (or shall I say about his famous picture?), and the use of the aforementioned image for comercial purposes.

The pic you added is a good example of what I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

I like how you can find shoes and t-shirts among many other products with his face on it. People who support this garbage are supporting what he stood against..

Yeah, Disnevara.



I don't care much for El Che. Still here is a guy who could have lived as a medecine man the life of a well established bourgeois but fought a gun in his hand, ending his life as a guerillero in the jungle.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Gonzalvus

You are right. Furthermore, he was of european descent, therefore he was racist.

... and he played rugby at school and was partly Irish, so I hate him too!

I have a Uruguayan friend I quite respect who would likely agree with 90% of Che Guevara's thinking. Talking to him, and other Latin Americans, I realized how differently they viewed Communism. Their view was that something, anything had to be done to get rid of the Yankee-backed dictatorships. Sadly, if Che Guevara had achieved his goal, a Soviet or even Pol Pot style dictatorship may have come soon after his victory. Who knows?

In any case, I think he was an intelligent and dynamic man with a lot of personal courage. It is too bad he tied himself to one of the worst political theories invented by man.

[Menydh]

If you read through his biography, you can hardly come to the conclusion that he was a Communist. Or, along the lines of what Errigal has said, things are perceived differently there.

Not a revolutionary but a rebel and an adventurer. Anything else looks like the available path to be such a rebel and adventurer, in his place and in his moment.

I admit that there is an attractive in the man, but non political.

A nice picture:

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If you read through his biography, you can hardly come to the conclusion that he was a Communist. Or, along the lines of what Errigal has said, things are perceived differently there.

Not a revolutionary but a rebel and an adventurer. Anything else looks like the available path to be such a rebel and adventurer, in his place and in his moment.

I admit that there is an attractive in the man, but non political.

It is true that when read his writtings and biographies I somehow have the feelingthat he did not have a clearly defined agenda ... just as if he was an eternal teenager in search of new excitement ...

[Marcus Marulus]

Che Guevara at least had guts to go to fight for something he believed in.
That might have been wrong and not have had any real connection with the social justice and freedom (though it seemed so, maybe even to him). He was satisfied neither with the bourgeois life his well-off family could have afforded him, nor with ministerial position in Castro's Cuba.

But I am, I must say, disgusted at seeing all those petit bourgeois post-modern living room leftists, wusses who live in and off the consumer society and are not - quite often - able to do anything without their mummy and daddy (you know, those "eternally young", although in their thirties), who could not even in wildest dreams imagine to do anything similar to what Che did (that is, go and fight for their ideals) - I am disgusted at seeing all those worthless wankers wearing these ridiculous T-shirts and pretending that they are "rebelling" against society. While, in fact, they are the perfectly adjusted members of the Capitalist post-modern society, who, by buying all that rubbish (like shirts, badges etc. with Che's picture) in fact contribute to the general consumerism.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Plethon

But I am, I must say, disgusted at seeing all those petit bourgeois post-modern living room leftists, wusses who live in and off the consumer society and are not - quite often - able to do anything without their mummy and daddy (you know, those "eternally young", although in their thirties)

I must agree with you,it seems also to me that his figure is usually used as the symbol of many "rebelds without cause"

[Ariets]

As many commies bored rich-born guy. His ideas ware stupid as hell, but he have very few interesing quotes (his opinion on Cubans, Homosexuals and Blacks wasnt so correct as today )

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by searcher of truth

I must agree with you,it seems also to me that his figure is usually used as the symbol of many "rebels without cause"

The thrust of the matter is that they are no rebels at all, just posturing as "rebels"...

[Ariets]

Originally Posted by Plethon

The thrust of the matter is that they are no rebels at all, just posturing as "rebels"...

that's true

[Sifjar]

Originally Posted by Ariets

As many commies bored rich-born guy. His ideas ware stupid as hell, but he have very few interesing quotes (his opinion on Cubans, Homosexuals and Blacks wasnt so correct as today )

Stupid? What is stupid about his revolution ? care to elaborate ?

[Cirrus]

His last will :