People's reaction to your ideas

[Martín Zalacaín]

How do the people around you (family, friends, workmates, neighbours, etc.) react to your nationalist/identitarian/whatever leanings? I think it would be interesting to share our experiences on this matter.

I chose "b", although I have some "d" cases, of course (as any of you, I guess). The only person who has supported my ideas from the very beginning is my girlfriend, as she comes from a very different background than the rest of my friends and relatives.

[Galaico]

Most of my friends have ideas very similar to mine, especially related to immigration, patriotism, etc., although most of them are far more centralist in linguistic matters, and vote Liberal-Conservative.

So in conclusion, although our ideas are not that different, they can't understand that I don't vote the Liberal-Conservatives to stop the Socialists, because I see both of them as the same shit. Therefore I'm the "radical" anti-democrat.

At home, my mother and sister vote Liberal-Conservative, although my mother is almost more nationalist than what I am. My father, a Liberal-Conservative ex-voter, doesn't vote anymore, or if he does, he does to the anti-abortists or Galician "nationalists", he's quite fed up with politics.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

I voted "other."

People are first shocked, because people are today generally very shocked at any non-conformist thinking, outside of the voting tribes and falsely "opposed" ideologies supported by the parties.

Some people who tend to believe in some supposedly "self evident" truths and sacred cows of the modern West and its ideology, but are nevertheless discontented with the situation, are often very inclined to accept my points of view.

[Strengthandhonour]

From the family there is support.
Usually with friends, I think its how you deliver it and express it.
But most of mine tend to think what I say makes sense.

[Menydh]

Often people react with sympathy. My parents and my friends, they do. I've noticed lately much sympathy and support among people from the traditional working class areas. The nouveau bourgeoise and even the traditional old class, is not going to respond until their life-styles are affected. I also listen to their complaints and even their rejection of the existing nationalist political alternatives, and I understand them.. and agree. They are guidelines for adaptability.

But many years ago I learned that to enclose yourself all of the time in a friendly and always agreeable circle, is a form of political and intelectual endogamia. Among other things, very important.. I don't know how to translate this (literally): "it makes you miss the perspectives"? Basically the idea is that you have to look at a problem from all possible social, political and more, perspectives. And not just through your eyes and through the eyes of those who see it like you do, but also and most important through the eyes of all the other people. Even those who you consider your political enemies. I'd say that especially those who you consider your political antagonists. Ever heard the phrase in English, Know Thy Enemy?

And well, I am also by nature a much polemical character. I'm sure that some of you may have noticed already.

So I've developed my own ways to bring up the issue in the right places, among the right people, and at the right moment. And, most important, with the right arguments and reasons for each single moment.

What helps me much is that they always expect stereotypes of what a Nationalist should be like, or look like. And that works for them I guess that ≈95% of the time. So it is interesting to observe how clumsily they react when they are caught outside the mud which they are used to serve for wrestling.

Summarizing, it is nice and cosy to be wrapped up by your own, but you do have to go out and learn how to fight if you are to survive. The real world is out there, outside your inner circle.

Originally Posted by Gonzalvus

I chose "b", although I have some "d" cases, of course (as any of you, I guess). The only person who has supported my ideas from the very beginning is my girlfriend, as she comes from a very different background than the rest of my friends and relatives.

That should give you an insight perspective of much more use than what others have. If you are strong enough to not let yourself be dragged and engulfed in the mass thinking, you should grow stronger from it. However, it is always necessary to have a fulcrum, a point of support. At least if for the sake of keeping your sanity.

[Elysium.]

I chose Other.

If it's my family they don't get to antsy pantsy about it and quite often agree. If I speak with fellow non-leftists (center or right) they tend to agree now and then.

With leftists though they just scream "racist" so loud the whole city knows who I am. (I've only talked to one once)

[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Often people react with sympathy. My parents and my friends, they do. I've noticed lately much sympathy and support among people from the traditional working class areas. The nouveau bourgeoise and even the traditional old class, is not going to respond until their life-styles are affected. I also listen to their complaints and even their rejection of the existing nationalist political alternatives, and I understand them.. and agree. They are guidelines for adaptability.

But many years ago I learned that to enclose yourself all of the time in a friendly and always agreeable circle, is a form of political and intelectual endogamia. Among other things, very important.. I don't know how to translate this (literally): "it makes you miss the perspectives"? Basically the idea is that you have to look at a problem from all possible social, political and more, perspectives. And not just through your eyes and through the eyes of those who see it like you do, but also and most important through the eyes of all the other people. Even those who you consider your political enemies. I'd say that especially those who you consider your political antagonists. Ever heard the phrase in English, Know Thy Enemy?

And well, I am also by nature a much polemical character. I'm sure that some of you may have noticed already.

So I've developed my own ways to bring up the issue in the right places, among the right people, and at the right moment. And, most important, with the right arguments and reasons for each single moment.

What helps me much is that they always expect stereotypes of what a Nationalist should be like, or look like. And that works for them I guess that ≈95% of the time. So it is interesting to observe how clumsily they react when they are caught outside the mud which they are used to serve for wrestling.

Summarizing, it is nice and cosy to be wrapped up by your own, but you do have to go out and learn how to fight if you are to survive. The real world is out there, outside your inner circle.

That should give you an insight perspective of much more use than what others have. If you are strong enough to not let yourself be dragged and engulfed in the mass thinking, you should grow stronger from it. However, it is always necessary to have a fulcrum, a point of support. At least if for the sake of keeping your sanity.

Through this forum I came to know like-minded people for the first time. I've also realized that I'm not very good practicing proselitism --I need to learn more before I can convince anyone with my views. But anyway I enjoy exchanging ideas with people: I learn a lot, even if their ideas are the opposite of mine. I agree with what you said: surrounding one self with sycophants is not very productive.

And well, I am also by nature a much polemical character. I'm sure that some of you may have noticed already.

"much polemical" is an understatement

[Sergius]

I don't discuss political ideas with my friends.

[Martín Zalacaín]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

I don't discuss political ideas with my friends.

Are you serious...?

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

I don't discuss political ideas with my friends.

I have friends with whom I never talk politics too; only if they bring it up. It is nice to have people who let you take a mini-vacation from it all.

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Gonzalvus

Are you serious...?

I'm very young.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

I'm very young.

That won't last either.

Originally Posted by Gonzalvus

"much polemical" is an understatement

Ah well, someone's got to play that role and I don't remember having chosen it.

[Weltschmerz]

I notice how people are not even used to thinking about problems out there in society, although these already affect them in ways they don't know of. World views are so often houses made of paper cards, and you only have to breathe to see them fall down. When that happens, they usually begin stammering away with some of the empty talk that they're fed up with by the government-media coalition, like speech machines. It's like people are obsessed zombies, mumbling utter nonsense like madmen who got lost in the labyrinth. So basically, the most common reaction is no reaction at all, or at least none that I hadn't already heard thousands of times.

[Vincent]

I voted for:

"They think that inmigrants and multiculturalism are the greatest blessing our civilization has ever received, and regard nationalism/identitarism or anything related to our culture as “fascist”. Therefore, they think I’m an evil racist."

Every time I try to begin a discussion with words like 'multiculturalism, race, nationalism', faces of people turn supirsed at the first moment, and then it developes even in some kind of disgusted expression, pointed towards me. Well, the same people think that liberalism is the greatest blessing given to mankind. I only have one friend who fully shares my opinion on all these issues, especially when it comes to immigration.

I more and more feel deep sadness for people in my country. Especially Bosnian muslims. They are of European orgin, but for some 10-25 years now very fond of their religion (but not in a religious way), and in some matters they lean more towards the muslim world. On the other hand they still don't want to 'lose Europe'. The sad thing here is that many of them identify the EU with Europe, advocating thereby the entry of Bosnia & Herc. into it, and defending it's 'values' like... you can guess what.

That is why the idea of separation of B&H scares me. I would be left alone with Liberal-democratic muslims who are with one foot in Turkey and the other in Austria (ah, beloved Europe, heh).

Thank God, not all Bosnian muslims are like this, or at least I know some exceptions.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Hohenheim

I more and more feel deep sadness for people in my country. Especially Bosnian muslims. They are of European orgin, but for some 10-25 years now very fond of their religion (but not in a religious way), and in some matters they lean more towards the muslim world.

Religion is about identity.