Is Israel's destruction a benefit for us?

[Aptrgangr]

In this thread I would like to discuss whether Israel's inevitable fall is a benefit for us or not. Israels struggles with a dwindling birthrate, the birthrate of Muslim Arabs within Israel's borders is about three times as high than the Jewish one. This fact will cause severe consequences for Jews living in Israel. In Gaza, West-Jordan and all other Muslim countries and communities in the occupied countries birthrate is is rising, millions of Muslim men and women are a valuable pool of human resouce that can be recruited by Jihadists; those young Muslims are healthy and fed thanks to the international community, especially the EU.
Due to a superior military and massive support by the Western states Israel could prevail this far, but I do not expect this situation to be continued more than 30, maybe 50 years. The more Muslims live in a state the weaker it is, and the weaker domestic policy can be, the result is economic weakness, high crime rate and a general hostile atmosphere. The more Israel struggles with that the more Jews will leave Israel and head to a place where a strong Jewish community exists and strong Jewish structures have been built up: -> USA, with consequences for us in Europe.
I expect Israel to resist longer than the decadent Europeans will due to the extraordinary low amount of Dhimmis among their people. In fact the amount of Jews having detected in what danger they live is much higher compared to the Whites (Europeans and colonials of European ancestry) - most Whites still afford the luxury of reality-denying - and if truth has been found out whites mostly lack to see the consequences of their doing. I do not only refer to Shabbos Goym believing their policy of a colourful, diverse multicultural society prevents their masters from being attacked, also Dhimmis among WN/NS and left-wing nationalist are to be blamed for scaring off people being interested in White survival i.e. national politics and heritage projects by praising their Muslim masters.
One thing never may be forgotten: either Israel will be conquered by Muslims before Europe is conquered by Muslims - this would mean anything but a stop of the Muslim conquest in general. Or, Israel will fall in the hands of Muslims bevor Europe will - then the bases in the "Golden Apple" will be used to highten the pressure on Israel. From what I have read Muslim recruiters are also very busy in the USA, especially many Latinos convert->
Olé to Allah: Hisham Aidi profiles New York\'s thriving Latino Muslim convert community
NEW ISLAMIC MOVEMENT SEEKS LATINO CONVERTS
but USA will resist Islamic pressure much more than decadent Europe and Canada because in large parts of the USA Christianity still is intact. A while ago I have posted this in another forum - I also post it here to your friendly attention:

I have a question to those believing Jews control all and everything: why should Jews promote muliculturalism, when they also are effected by the obvious negative consequences? I mean, in what interest would it be for Jews to import millions of Muslims to Germany? Germany e.g. delivers the world´s most sophisticated Hydrogen-driven submarines to Israel, a Muslim ruled 3rd world-chaos state Sultanate Almaya never would deliver this to Israel, not only because of the politics the state promotes, also because of the racial decline - there would be noone left being able to develop such sort of vessels. There are evil Jews around, there´s enough evidence many Jews are corrupt and involved in the organized crime, especially those came to Germany from the former Soviet Union. It is also true Jews enjoy greater protection in Germany than Germans, judges often enough do not dare to prosecute Jews to avoid being called anti-semitic. And there are Jews busy engaged with promoting multiculturalism. But there are also non-multiculturalist Jews, wanting to run their business without bothering anyone and without racemixing (and without ruling the world).
All this what I have posted about Jews is also true for Muslims. They are allowed to preach: Germans are stinking and low beings - without being prosecuted, you can imagine how fast Police would catch me if I would say: Muslims are stinking and low beings, in my own country. There are Muslim gangs raping and commititng crimes every day, many no longer get jailed as jails are too full with them, and politicians are keen to provide information Muslims/foreigners are not more criminal than natives. One trick they use is that they say Turks with German passports are Germans and no longer count them as foreigners. I have met some Jews in my life, e.g. in school, they were intelligent, decent and friendly persons, and I sometimes dealt them rough.
All Muslims I met so far, and I can promise there is no lack of them around here, tried to provoke me with words like (sorry, but I want to be authentic) "blonde cunthead", "fucking German", "we will get you soon" and so on, without having been provoced by me. (To make it more clear: they automatically feel provoked when they see me and are not alone). Even negroes do not behave this way, but Muslims always behave this way, no matter what race they belong to. The Turks/Arabs I met thisfar being decent people were Kemalistic Atheists and/or Christians (and female mostly). Even Muslim females bother me with anti-social behaviour. One time I really was attacked by a (male) Muslim gang, they gave me thrashing/stabbing for my life - and helped me to open my eyes. In school teachers only said I should be more tolerant, those poor foreigner kids are socially underprivileged. In the school I was one time a girl was pushed by two guys into a corner and pissed on, must I mention this was done by Muslims? I think this is clear. Of course, the director of school and teachers did everything to hush up this incident, visitors from other schools were no longer allowed to visit school, as if the students from the neighbouring grammar-school would have caused any problems, and the girl got the best or second best school-leaving-exmination I have heard...
When I look to Israel I see they have similar problems like we have, a low birth-rate and a high birth-rate of Muslims in their own land. Jews here also have a very low birth-rate, the reason why Jews became more here is Germany allowed Jews from the former Soviet Union to come here in masses. But this number is by far lower than the number of Muslims invading my land.
I feel disgust towards all semitic religions, when I read e.g. the bible I can clearly say the semitic god Jahwe/Allah is a worthless peace of trash, at least the Christians do not worship a murdering and child-molesting bandit of the dunes. I often read Jews control media, they have a great influence, that is very true, but what the media say is not always in favour of Israel, often enough there are reports about Israeli crimes in Palestine, and I hardly hear any reports about criminal Muslims but TV is full of picures with Muslims celebrating the "holy Ashuah" festivity - I do not know it´s exact name - the festivity they hit themselves and children with some sort of flails and blades. Many NS are happy the Iranian president said Israel should be destroyed, they also seem to be happy "Mein Kampf" is a bestseller there, and of course they celebrate the fact simple desert people deny the warcrimes having been committed during the 3rd Reich. When I talk to (some) NS saying Arabs also are semites so it does not make sense to ally with them I often hear I have to see the "varied character".I can not express how fed up I am always to see a varied character, multiculuralists say I have to see the varied character of things, NS say I have to see the varied character of things...
Muslims are securing their own sharia-law areas, I haven´t a clue why Jews could have been interested in this? It may not be forgotten Muslims threatened Europe from the beginning of their existence.
Fact is Jews fear Muslim immigration (one time a Synogogue was attacked by Muslims, media said Neonazis did it because of the swastikas painted on it´s wall - of what benefit would it for the media Jews to say this?), except those who are muliculturalists, I think the greatest threat for us is the own decadence, expressed in: multiculturalism, liberalism, unlimited capitalism etc. If the own society would be healthy, those crappy ideologies would have no chance. It is no secret media censores news in order to make Muslims look friendly. The goal behind this is to make the ppl believe they easily can be integrated here.

I also fail to see of what benefit it is for the Jews when FRG judges obey to Sharia rules here:
Johann Hari: How multiculturalism is betraying women - Independent Online Edition
The federal court here just decided last week that the call for Jihad, the Islamic holy war, no longer is punishable.

[Savage]

Very interesting article...I do not see much difference between any three of them, they are all the warmonging remains of megalomanic desert wanderers fantasies, and their threesome at Armageddon should really not involve anybody else but jews, muslims and christians. But it may involve the rest of humanity as well, so...

The removement of all these widespread philosophies would be to a greater advantage of humanity now. Let humanity rest for " prophet"s and "saviors" for a few thousand years, and forget all about those three nightmares.Locally, I have however given up, it is not, and will probably not, in our days, be opportune to expell all christians, muslims and jews from Norwegian soil.

It will be compromises, compromises and compromises. Sometimes I buy my bear and vegetables from some kind of muslims, and important positions in my career network are manned by some kind of jews. Also, some of my spiritual allies are some kind of christians, so one could say that the frontlines are ...complicated, to put it nice, and not so easy to cut, after the measures of religion...

So, if I start looking, I`ll find that I have highly englighted spiritual allies, identified as "jews" and "muslims" too, as those defined as "christians".

Any way, the monotheistic! God of these three ...mystical shools, are tradtional defined to the same unity, no matter which ones of of the thousand names one may have to the One. Also, if there should be no such thing as the God of these threes evangeliums, they would be equal in their bewilderness.

So I consider these three in a classical gnostic way, as for the rest of humanity;

" - either all is guilty, or all is innocent."

According to the mysteries of the Holy Grail, this also reflects, exactly, the element of water, ( in an esoteric sense) which absolutely could be associated to Armageddon...

Which brings us to the needlepoint of nescessary discussions upon the archangel Gibrail`s roles in these affairs. As the enlighted observer are informed, Gibral simultaneous operates in all these three panteons, with about overlapping roles.

You that are religious, jew, muslim or christian, and fears God, should perhaps ask the archangel Gibrael himself how he conducts beiing the archangel of water, ( or blood ) in all all those three pantheons?

Ask him why children of all these three faiths, with pure hearths, and the very best intentions, prays to this same angel.

And while in the ministeries of Gibrail ( check the kabbalic/Tarot definitions and references, exactly and essential for all three...) , water is blood, is also emotions, is also rage; Also the body consists mostly of water.

" - And the wrath is the Lords! "

Which also means that, when man are angry, he is not in contact with his Lord, but ruled by his terrestial emotions. And therby commits failure, or sin.

The sucessful suicidebomber is not angry, he is friendly and secretly blissful.
Even if there should be warfare, in the name of the Lord, it should be pure of hate, and in good faith.

Objectively, there is a fair matehematical and logical chance that children of all those three offsprings of the same sources, are, or normally have the best intentions, and are as empathic and decent beings as any of the others.

As many others, I am none of these three, but knows them well, no matter if one may like it or not. They are all major enties in the spiritual currents that rides the earth these days, and the effects of their various imperialistic specialities and interactions does however have consequenzes for the rest of the earths population and nature.

Perhaps illustrated as here

[Kernunnos]

The jews of today are slowly drifting towards a position of respect for white Europe. But until yesterday tehy were all set about destroying european integrity, be it racial or cultural. Now they have realized how important is european survival for their survival. However a clear appreciation of the superiority of the western culture and a clear declaration in favour of european racial and cultural survival is still very far from coming. After such a declaration I could be happy fighting for Israel survival. I have no problems saying that all hebrews in the world deserve a permanently assigned, undisputed piece of land where they coul live peacefully and without foreign cultures on their soil. If they helped us expell all african immigrants starting from the moslem I would support sincerely the survival of the state of Israel, even if it implied the expulsion of any arab minority. Nazis: a bunch of losers with the goal in mind of re-winning ww2. We are losing ww4 and with their help. BTW not many of them would be loved by any serious wehrmacht or waffen SS general if they could resurrect from their graves.

[Errigal]

I see no benefit in the destruction of Israel for anyone but I would agree with President Ahmadinijad of Iran that the current regime in Palestine/Israel should disappear from the world stage the same way the Soviet Union did.

The only similarity I see between Europe's immigrant problem and the situation in Israel/Palestine is the Palestinians have a severe migrant problem; namely unrestricted immigration of Jews from Europe and North America.

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Errigal

I see no benefit in the destruction of Israel for anyone but I would agree with President Ahmadinijad of Iran that the current regime in Palestine/Israel should disappear from the world stage the same way the Soviet Union did.

The only similarity I see between Europe's immigrant problem and the situation in Israel/Palestine is the Palestinians have a severe migrant problem; namely unrestricted immigration of Jews from Europe and North America.

you mean jews from every where. I remember reading something before about some "Black Jews" being airlifted out of ethiopia to Israel in the 1980s. How else could you explain something like this (Isreali soldier in nablus):

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

you mean jews from every where. I remember reading something before about some "Black Jews" being airlifted out of ethiopia to Israel in the 1980s. How else could you explain something like this (Isreali soldier in nablus):

falashiah, ethiopic hebrews.

They complain of harassments by a sizable percentage f the jewish populace (40% of hebrews would not live nearby a negro family according to a recent poll).

[Menydh]

Breha, you can't seriously believe that they are drifting towards a position of respect for Europe. At least not for native Europeans. They have unleashed the Islamic beast and now they want.. they need to drag Europeans into that conflict. That's more the case.

They don't give a monkey's foot about the survival of Europe. Well, yes they do. So long as it serves to their purposes of outsourcing Israel.

Are we partner/allies because of Islam? Not necessarily. Our problem with Islam starts and ends inside Europe and adjacent regions.

Presenting Israelis/Jews as "western" people is only a propaganda effect. Go meet the Jewish settlers there and tell me if you find them any better than their Palestinian cousins.

They need a land to be? Fine. But it is not Europe's business if they are a nation of savages who cannot live together with their closer relatives.

[Errigal]

In all seriousness I think the US rather than Israel should take in any migrating Jews in the future. If America wants them as ordinary citizens that's fine. They could also give the Jews one of their 50 states as a new Israel. If the Israelis can get along with the Palestinians well enough to stay in the Middle East then that's fine with me too. I care as much about them as they do about me.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Savage

Very interesting article...I do not see much difference between any three of them, they are all the warmonging remains of megalomanic desert wanderers fantasies, and their threesome at Armageddon should really not involve anybody else but jews, muslims and christians. But it may involve the rest of humanity as well, so...

The question has to do little or nothing with religion, but with the Jewish people themselves. But I see that you were craving for spitting it out off your chest. Alright.

Warmongering, hey? I suppose that now I should link the religion of the ancient Vikings to the pillages, rapes, massacres, razes, etc. of undefended populations.

You know, the desert mentality is one that lives in one's brain. It is not necessarily involved with the physical desert.

The removement of all these widespread philosophies would be to a greater advantage of humanity now.

So you mean the removal of, for example, ancient Greek philosophy and Roman Civilization, the basis for European Christianity, and all of the ancient Pagan Traditions assimilated in it?

Or are you referring to the "reformed" (read judaicized) version developed up north?

Let humanity rest for " prophet"s and "saviors" for a few thousand years

Yet you are speaking like one now.

By the way, do you know that some argue that Mohammed's visions were due to him being schizophrenic? I hope that you are not having visions of a whatever religious thinking you subscribe to.

.Locally, I have however given up, it is not, and will probably not, in our days, be opportune to expell all christians, muslims and jews from Norwegian soil.

Well, in the favour of Mohammed I have to say that he was more persistent than you. Mind you, it would have been such a pain to have him on the forum, ranting about the other religions.

It will be compromises, compromises and compromises. Sometimes I buy my bear and vegetables from some kind of muslims, and important positions in my career network are manned by some kind of jews. Also, some of my spiritual allies are some kind of christians, so one could say that the frontlines are ...complicated, to put it nice, and not so easy to cut, after the measures of religion...

Interesting. I must notice that you don't have any respect for the religious or spiritual beliefs of those who you call your "spiritual allies".

So, if I start looking, I`ll find that I have highly englighted spiritual allies, identified as "jews" and "muslims" too, as those defined as "christians".

You must tell me what you smoke.

Any way, the monotheistic! God of these three ...mystical shools, are tradtional defined to the same unity, no matter which ones of of the thousand names one may have to the One. Also, if there should be no such thing as the God of these threes evangeliums, they would be equal in their bewilderness.

You really have no idea of what you are ranting about, do you?

I'll pass on the rest..

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Breha, you can't seriously believe that they are drifting towards a position of respect for Europe. At least not for native Europeans. They have unleashed the Islamic beast and now they want.. they need to drag Europeans into that conflict. That's more the case.

They don't give a monkey's foot about the survival of Europe. Well, yes they do. So long as it serves to their purposes of outsourcing Israel.

Are we partner/allies because of Islam? Not necessarily. Our problem with Islam starts and ends inside Europe and adjacent regions.

Presenting Israelis/Jews as "western" people is only a propaganda effect. Go meet the Jewish settlers there and tell me if you find them any better than their Palestinian cousins.

They need a land to be? Fine. But it is not Europe's business if they are a nation of savages who cannot live together with their closer relatives.

They need Europeans as cannon-fodder and that's all.

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Breha, you can't seriously believe that they are drifting towards a position of respect for Europe. At least not for native Europeans. They have unleashed the Islamic beast and now they want.. they need to drag Europeans into that conflict. That's more the case.

They don't give a monkey's foot about the survival of Europe. Well, yes they do. So long as it serves to their purposes of outsourcing Israel.

Are we partner/allies because of Islam? Not necessarily. Our problem with Islam starts and ends inside Europe and adjacent regions.

Presenting Israelis/Jews as "western" people is only a propaganda effect. Go meet the Jewish settlers there and tell me if you find them any better than their Palestinian cousins.

They need a land to be? Fine. But it is not Europe's business if they are a nation of savages who cannot live together with their closer relatives.

I just feel they are realizing how much their well being and civilization was dependant on the european civilization.

In short, they are starting to regret the stability, the progress and the good average level of intelligence and laboriosity of true europeans.

For sure they are parasytic since they live mostly out of commerce and finance, but such parasytism can be carried out on a sane trunk.

[Menydh]

Let's go back to basics.

The question of if Israel's destruction is a benefit or not for Europe I think that it is misleaded. But it is rather unsurprising that such question should arise. The elements for that have brought the formulation of such a question have been brought in since some time now.

Those elements are the propaganda that has been presenting Israel as an ally of "the West", and even as an outpost of Western Civilization. For the latter I'm quoting the leader of the Vlaams Belang, Filip Dewinter, in a futile attempt to gain the sympathy of the Jewish community in Belgium.

So, Israel is presented as an outpost of the war against Islam.. or of the resistance against Islam to use a word that will appeal Europeans more.

The reality, however, is different. Israel's war against its Muslim neighbours in the Middle East bears no connection, for practical purposes, with Europe's resistance against the Islamic invasion. The former is a war being fought far and away from Europe and which has different interpretations, while the latter is a struggle that takes place in European soil and which has only one possible interpretation.

The object of linking both is to drag Europe into the conflict on the side of Israel. This is a diversion from what the problem of Islam in Europe is, and which can have unpredictable consequences in Europe.

Now, in my opinion the right question should be if the conflict between Israel and the Arab World in the Middle East is of any interest to us.

And that is a question over which we can only speculate. Who can assure you that a factual destruction of Israel would not bring a reaction in Europe, making people more aware of the danger of Islam?


Another comment from the starting post that I would like to address is:

[...] USA will resist Islamic pressure much more than decadent Europe and Canada because in large parts of the USA Christianity still is intact.

This is a huge oversimplification, in my opinion. For a start, those American Evangelicals are hardly any less fanatical than Islamists and arguably more connected to European Civilization, if it is not as a mockery of it.

But the one important detail that has been left out at the moment of making such a statement is that the problem of America in terms of immigration is not Islam.

However, it is true that if Europe had not abandoned its Christian roots, today Islam would find a hard bone to chew in Europe. And not only Islam, but we wouldn't have problems such as the big demographic recesion partly caused by the adoption of a culture of death and of rejection of our own continuity and preservation, which is abortion. Etc.