Russia and Islam

[svin]

"Russia has always been loyal and reliable defender of the interests of Islam world" (c) V.Putin

[Leland Gaunt]

So, is it good or bad news?

btw, the house on the background looks haunted... I think I see a ghost in the window.

[Strengthandhonour]

I don't know much about Russian history so I don't know how valid the statement Mr. Putin is making. First thing that comes to mind with this is Iran. Letting the Russians know that they are friends or letting the muslims in Russia know they are welcome.

[Susi]

Or maybe Putin didn't actually write the ad?

[svin]

Currently Russia is multi-ethnic state, many people here should understand it. Chechens (and other Caucasian people) are citizens of Russia. So noone can stop them from migration to the Russian cities. And they are actually migrating.

How do you like when 100 chechens invade small town?They moved as far as Russian north, including Karelia, causing many troubles...

[svin]

I don't know much about Russian history so I don't know how valid the statement Mr. Putin is making.

It's absolutely invalid, actually. Russians are fighting against Islam for many centuries and I can't see the end of this in the near future.

[Strengthandhonour]

That's what I imagined. I remember there was this site a while back full of multicultural propaganda for every country in Europe. It pretty much was creating historical and racial myths. There was one claiming that Italian language is highly influence by arabic just because of the invasion of Sicily for example.

[Carnyx]

Defender of the Islamic world where it belongs (outside Russia), no?

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by svin

"Russia has always been loyal and reliable defender of the interests of Islam world" (c) V.Putin

This is ridiculous. No one here gives a rat ass about islamic world and it's intrests. This just anti-american thing that's all.

[Menydh]

It's a disgrace. Svin is right. Putin is not acting different to Western Europe's leaders. It is the game of the everything goes, in order to achieve a status of a strong bloc of power/influence even (and especially) at the expense of the national identity.

They keep using the name of the old nations, but to mean something entirely different.

This should be seen as an example of why the idea of Europe is --more than necessary-- the only viable option in the future. The alternative to this is multicultural states constructed around the borders of the old nations, with the subsequent inevitable ethnic destruction of the native peoples of Europe.

This is why conforming a stable and strong idea of Europe is so important, and why Europe becomes an ideal for otherwise opposed to it Nationalists.

[Marcus Marulus]

But, Svin, can you tell us more about that add you displayed in your post. What is that? A political campaign add? If yes, then campaign for what? And, the most important thing: when and in which context Putin uttered these words?

Probably Putin wants to say that Russia is opposed to American-Zionist aggressions in the Muslim world. That may be not be question of any "love" for the Muslim world, but the question of interests.

Because Russia is threatened by the Angloamerican West as well. All those missile systems waiting to be installed in Poland and Czech Republic are not really meant to fight off Iranian and North Korean missiles (only an idiot could believe that, those missiles and missile-defence systems can be pointed only against one country: Russia). There are plans of "exporting democracy" to Russia as well and the impudent Yankee Judaean politicians don't even hide it, they talk about it publicly.

And again there is the question of Iran. Although Russia has yielded to the American pressure and allowed sanctions to be imposed on Iran (those sanctions are quite mild, due to Russian and Chinese conditions), Russia is still equipping Iran with weapons (although there are many disagreements between these two countries, due to payment delays on the Iranian side). Some say that an eventual American attack against Iran is a general probe before an attack against Russia.

So it may be just Putin's message to Yankee Judaea: "No, I am not afraid of you."

Or it may be just pandering to Russia's domestic Muslims minorities (this variety is much worse).

[Ferran]

Uhm, I wonder if this attitude might be another reaction to a non-sucessful "West"-Russia meeting in 2001...

Putin's visit is being watched closely for any hints of concessions towards Russia by the West in return, it is thought, for the use of air corridors through the Central Asian states to launch a US-led attack on Afghanistan. Russia has opposed the expansion of NATO into the Baltic States - Russia's own backyard. In a hint that NATO allies might be willing to accommodate some of Moscow's concerns, Gernot Erler, foreign affairs spokesperson for the ruling Social Democratic party noted on Tuesday that he "can imagine different models in the expansion of NATO, which Russia could agree with." Better integration of Russia itself into the Western alliance, and even Russia membership of NATO - unthinkable in the past - could also be a possibility under the "new order".

[...]

But even Bush's attitude towards Russia may be undergoing a sea change after Moscow agreed to the use of its air-space by US planes, launching a possible attack on Afghanistan. Over-fly rights and use of staging posts in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are also put down to the new climate of friendship between Russia and the West.

[...]

Putin has been describing the war in Chechnya as a struggle against Muslim terrorists and has sought to link the rebels in Chechnya to those who carried out the attacks on America, describing them as "a common enemy". But there may also be other dividends for Moscow, which has opposed Washington's missile defence shield plans. "I'm sure that the discussion in the United States over Nuclear Missile Defence will now switch direction," predicted Karl Lamers, foreign policy spokesperson for Germany's opposition Christian Democrat party.


Asia Times: Putin seeks major role in new world order

It can explain in which way Putin actually stands out from other European leaders, specially if someone still thinks he's some sort of "nationalist" (as I used to until quite recently).

[Marcus Marulus]

Better integration of Russia itself into the Western alliance, and even Russia membership of NATO - unthinkable in the past - could also be a possibility under the "new order".

Such options were maybe discussed then, but now - not any more. It was a different world then than it is now, six years later.

Besides, Angloamerica's dream was always a conquest of Russia, since the 19th century.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Besides, Angloamerica's dream was always a conquest of Russia, since the 19th century.

Indeed. That's Mackinder's geopolitics.

"Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland; Who rules the heartland commands the World Island; Who rules the World Island commands the World."

Which also explains Nazi obsession with Russia and the famous Lebensraum.

[Ferran]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Such options were maybe discussed then, but now - not any more. It was a different world then than it is now, six years later.

You are right, the world has changed a lot since then, but for what I'm just reading Putin's interest in a "West"-Russian friendship did not end in 2001. Three years later Vladimir Putin publically encouraged Americans to vote for Bush :

CNN.com - Putin urges voters to back Bush - Oct 18, 2004

And we can see that his reasons for that support had a very Neocon and "War on terror" style too...