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European martial arts (fencing and arms ad legs fighting) didn\'t survive the introduction of the fireamrs, unlike the japanese ones. But we had a great tradition too. See Association for Renaissance Martial Arts - Swords & Swordsmanship . And yes, the tradition has been rediscovered by americans, and they are not the stormfront type ... trust that website, it is full of reverence for our old european martial arts and of serious works on european historical fencing and fighting. BTW, our medieval and renaissance swords were often not inferior to katanas ... norse blades were built in the same way, with a multilayered, very sophisticated approach. Shed your Hollywood and Hong Kong kung fu movie myths ... fighters do not fly ...
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Bâton français / Canne de combat






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Nice stuff. Ok, the major problem is that no one is walking with a stick any more.

Capoera is much more popular these days...
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I don't like this Asian martial arts plus I don't think they can help me on the street.
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What don't you like about them? The fact that they are of Asian origin?

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Actualy they would, which is why law enforcement agencies and military units around the world either train in some traditional version of them or at least some derivative based on them. They didn't survive for centuries by being ineffective.
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What don't you like about them? The fact that they are of Asian origin?
That also. Not that I'm anti-Asian or something, but it's not part of our culture and I don't think I can get used to it. You see, we're used to fist fights, not kung-fu etc.

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Actualy they would, which is why law enforcement agencies and military units around the world either train in some traditional version of them or at least some derivative based on them. They didn't survive for centuries by being ineffective.
Again, I don't think I'll ever fight with them. The kind of fights I get into are street fist fights, and I don't think asian martial arts will help me.
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Again, I don't think I'll ever fight with them. The kind of fights I get into are street fist fights, and I don't think asian martial arts will help me.
That's partially true. I've been training Taekwondo for 5 years and there are some moves that can help you.
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exersices, no mystery at all.

Myself I overturned, or beat down a stout person at 8 meters distance before 30 sober withnesses in a workgroup, but that was by relasing a rune, directed, focused and concentrated. What a trained Tai Chi practicer could do with such, I just can imagine.


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Pretty impressive ! ! !


I hope you did not need to poke yourself an eye and to hung head up-down to a tree during three days to be able to do so ! ! ! ! !


Joke appart and honestly I keep some faith in the rune power ... I once even was able to predict something happy to someone that it came up to be true thanks to runemal
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Actualy they would, which is why law enforcement agencies and military units around the world either train in some traditional version of them or at least some derivative based on them. They didn't survive for centuries by being ineffective.
I even heard that when someone gets é"diplomated" from an Martial Arts school his hands got systematically registered at the police as "lethal weapons"
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a friend of mine nearly got mugged by a tall black guy, he gave a quick babykick to the guys shin and snapped it, here endeth the lesson!

He had been learning Kung Fu for 8 years or so, some of the shit he has shown me is very impressive and would give an advantage against your average yob who likes his fists.
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Pretty impressive ! ! !


I hope you did not need to poke yourself an eye and to hung head up-down to a tree during three days to be able to do so ! ! ! ! !


Joke appart and honestly I keep some faith in the rune power ... I once even was able to predict something happy to someone that it came up to be true thanks to runemal
Ok, but that was a clinical situation, where the object stood up and waited for the blow, and I used perhaps 1 minute to build the load. Then comes that the psychomagnetic fields and loads were ready buildt up over time, just to roll forth, specify, address and shoot out.

In a combatsituation things would have been very different, and in my case probably of no use. Btw, one of the parttakers of that workgroup are member here, and may probably witness this shocking experience.

But what use of it, exept of to brag of?

It says that it is possible, and the story demonstrates that such is within reach for about anyone that dedicates oneself to the arts. No need to search special teachers, it is up to the candidate to shop from various arts, and put it together to a synthesis.

It is possible, and the knowledge of that, should challenge the limits of what one think is possible, and within reach, also for oneself.

Have you ever by the way tried to run up a tree? By some training, it is easy possible to run 2 meters straight up. Translate the principe to walls, and the "flying chinese`s" art are not so unrealistic.

Johoo!

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Have you ever by the way tried to run up a tree? By some training, it is easy possible to run 2 meters straight up. Translate the principe to walls, and the "flying chinese`s" art are not so unrealistic.

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Must be some inertia or centrifuge force stuff related there
Though must be aesier in walls than in trees
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Actually I'm sure that most if not all martial arts begun by the imitation of
animal movements
Here you have the inspiration source of the "flying chineses"

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We Portuguese have a similar method of combat called Jogo do Pau which also involves the use of sticks, although they are much larger than the ones in the videos you posted.

YouTube - Portuguese Stickfighting JOGO DO PAU

YouTube - Jogo do Pau - Portuguese soldiers during World War 1

YouTube - Jogo do Pau inferioridade numérica Nº1
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