Early pictures of Indo European speakers

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Visigodo

Even if your personal theory can be interesting I think that if you ar not convinced about the phenotype of the early Indoeuropeans probably you will change you opinion if you read John V. Day work:

From Indoeuropeans Origins: The Antrophological Evidence. (John V. Day)



"Nevertheless, many believers in racial typology have used the evidence of cranioskeletal remains and ancient texts to assign PIE speakers to a particular subrace or subraces. Among these hypothesized subraces are:



NORDICS (INCLUDING FALICS) (Benoist 1979: 33; Biasutti 1954: 39-40; Coon 1939: 221 Coon et al. 1950: 83-4; Cornelius 1967: 13; Curtis 1988: 39, 56; Czekanowki 1939-40: 95; Dumézil 1941a: 12-13; Eickstedt 1934a: 458 ff.; 1934b: 47; Ekholm 1926: 29; Fick 1905: 246-7; Gayre 1972: 52; Günther 1933: 335, 338; Haudry 1981: 122-4; Huxley and Haddon 1935: 197-8; Keane 1896: 80; Kossina 1909-10:20; Kühn 1976: 361; Lahovary 1946: 297; 311; Lelekov 1982: 33-4; Locchi 1968: 38 n. 1; Meyer 1948: 15-16; Moret 1936: 30; Mühlmann 1936: 226; Nagel 1987: 198; Poesche 1878: 12; Pokorny 1954: 404; Quatrefrages 1871: 650; Reche 1936a: 312; 1936b: 117; Reinach 1909:68; Romer 1959: 402; Schomoeckel 1985: 18; Scwantes 1958: 361; Scwidetzky 1950b: 274; Sweet 1900: 129; Tucker 1908: 241; Uhlenbeck 1937: 393; Vacher de Lapouge 1899; 10-19; Van Windekens 1941a: 186; 1941b: xxv; Velden 1912:87; Vries 1941: 10; Wilke 1918: 6; Wirth 1914: 124; Wolf 1914-15: 311-12; 1954: 191; cf. Eickstedt 1963: 314; Linnaeus 1746: 1; 1758: 211)



NORDICS AND ALPINES (Lefévre 1889a: 131; 1895: 28-9; Lundman 1952: 43-4 ff. 54; 1967b: 12; 1976-7: 115; Poisson 1939: 230; Rosny 1895: 198-200; Roy 1989: 2; Royer 1880: 329-30; Semper: 347,352)



ALPINES AND MEDITERRANEANS (Kerns 1985: 156)



ALPINES-MONGOLOIDS AND MEDITERRANEANS (Pillai 1935: 923-4)



ALPINES AND ARMENOIDS (Laviosa Zambotti 1948: 14; 1949: 300)



LIGHT-HAIRED BRACHYCRANES (Taylor 1892: 295; Van Lysebeth 1988: 31-2: cf. Wolff 1927: 80)



MEDITERRANEANS (Calestani 1941: 82; Mantegazza 1883-4, XIII: 205; Rai 1987: 11; Ridgeway 1921: 17-18; Sergi 1903: 257)



ARMENOIDS (Gamkrelidze and Ivanov 1985a: 77-8; 1995: 847; cf. Diakooff 1985b: 153-4)



RACIALLY MIXED CAUCASOIDS (Feist 1924: 35; Paret 1942: 68 Schmidt 1946: 246; Schader 1916: 15, Stuart-Glennie 1890: 971)



MESOCRANIC CENTUM SPEAKERS AND DOLICHOCRANIC SATEM SPEAKERS (Kappers 1934: 85; cf. Lundman 1955:90). But see Anttila (1989:306) and Tischler (1990:94) on the importance of the centum-satem isogloss.



CRO-MAGNONS (Gooch 1977: 129 ff.)".

About the Achaeans I do not think they failed because together with the Indoeuropeans Dorians they "Indo-Europeize" Greece and nowadays Greece is a European country that belongs to our National European Community. Without the Greeks and the achievements of the Greeks in many fields Europe is not complete in my opinion. Another history is about Anatolia and let me say the Turks they are not Europeans in any sense. The Indo-Europeans in Anatolia failed for sure.

I just read excerpts and summaries of Day`s work...Mycaenenan (=Achaean ) civilisation left us lot of self representations and nordic phenotype traits are not present in none of their samples.

PS sorry for some typimg mistakes...I`m currently having a training in Hamburg and still get not used to german keyboard

[Vetus Flatulus]

And with the typical complexity of human behavior, it seems that Linear B came from a language for which syllabic symbols were natural, which made deciphering difficult and leaves some doubt as to sounds. Another complexity comes from the tendency of unrelated or distantly related language to borrow words, French from German, Rumanian from Slavic, etc. We have numerous names around here from Amerindian languages probably long lost. Nagodoches, Texas and Natchitoches, Louisiana are the same word, one written down by a Spaniard, the other by a Frenchman.