Asatru and Europeans...

[legionarius legxiii]

I'v been reading a lot of posts, ragarding Odinism, nordic and non nordic whites...We all know that someone's nationality, and genetic origins, are two complete different things, expecially in Europe. I also read and saw many pictures of fellow nationalists, in the "classify me" section of this forum, and other similar forums. there were many cases of Swedish, Germans, and other northern European people, that looked like southern Europeans, and vice versa. I agree that Asatru' or Odinism, is a northern faith...Could someone from southern Europe, that looks north European, "feel" the call of the blood to Odinism?

thank you all.

[Sergius]

Eh...
1. Not all northern Europeans are Nordid, and, 1b., not all Nordids are nothern European.
2. If "Odinism" is a northern faith, it is because it belongs to the northern European peoples, not Nordids.
3. Non-Germanic Odinists need to activate their brains.
4. Germanic Odinists I can tolerate.

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

3. Non-Germanic Odinists need to activate their brains.

How about European konfucianists, daoists or buddhists? Where do you draw the line; when can you consider someone to be stupid because he adhers to a religion that is not wholly embraced in the culture that he is a part of? Is it the cultural artifacts themselves, or their presence in a culture, that enables someone in that culture to be addressed by and to adher to the cultural artifact? Or is it the ideas expressed in that artifact, in so far as they are understood and in some sense accepted, that constitute the adherence? How, if it is the latter rather than the former, does (meta-)ethnicity limit the class of religions that one can reasonably adher to?

Is hindu, zoroastrian or buddhist thought available to Europeans because Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Heidegger explored and made it available, and if so, how was the making of them available possible in the first place? How did S., N. and H. get access? Or is it better to think that they did not at all understand and even less adher to anything culturally non-European, and if so, on what grounds?

[Sergius]

That wasn't the discussion I was looking for, but that's interesting as well.
Anyway, what I mean: I think we should differ between following a religion that is foreign to ones culture (Buddhism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, and such), and following an ethno-religious belief set (such as Judaism, pre-Christian European paganisms and other tribal religions) that is foreign to ones culture. In the latter case, the religion is ethnically bound.

[Carnyx]

I find funny the sight of some Identitarians or Nationalists with runes and thor hammer around their neck when they are not even of direct Germanic heritage. It's, well... to each its stuff. A pirori I would say it's no more strange than seeing a European girl with Fatima's hand around her neck.

Anyway, why should a Northern look (beyond the Germanic space) be automatically attributed to a Germanic origin? Nordids or blond CMs are not genetically Germanics from what I know.

[Strengthandhonour]

I don't think someone's race can define their religion. There is nothing wrong with it but for someone to worship/force themselves to follow the religion of their genetic ancestors is insanity. I am not saying legionarius is doing it, but I have seen it before.

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by legionarius legxiii

I'v been reading a lot of posts, ragarding Odinism, nordic and non nordic whites...We all know that someone's nationality, and genetic origins, are two complete different things, expecially in Europe. I also read and saw many pictures of fellow nationalists, in the "classify me" section of this forum, and other similar forums. there were many cases of Swedish, Germans, and other northern European people, that looked like southern Europeans, and vice versa. I agree that Asatru' or Odinism, is a northern faith...Could someone from southern Europe, that looks north European, "feel" the call of the blood to Odinism?

thank you all.

As Ljubomir already said, Odinism/Ásatrú/Whatever isn't a religion related to a specific phenotype, as the Nordid can be. It is a faith related to North European people of Germanic language and culture, independently of their phenotypes.

However, religion is something spiritual and not materialistic as it seems you're implying (Odinism is the faith worshipped by the "Nordid" Germanics; I'm Nordid, therefore I can be Odinist). Religion must be something to which you feel a spiritual link, something with which you feel identified in spiritual and moral terms, not a fashion linked to a political agenda.

[Menydh]

The confusion starts here:

Ethnicity: white

[legionarius legxiii]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The confusion starts here:

what do you mean confusion? did I wrote the wrong thing in the wrong box when I registered? please explain yourself.

[Menydh]

Religion is closely linked to ethnicity to the point of being an element that helps identify an ethnic group.

An ethnic group is roughly what makes up a nation. The very foundations of the nations are in the ethnic genesis of its peoples.

I have never heard of such thing as a "white ethnic group" or a "white nation". Though some people do [wrongly] speak of a "white nation" or a "human nation". Relativising on the meaning of nation.

So you are confused as to the meaning of ethnicity. Asatru too is a religion closely linked to a number of ethnicities, or nations. And alien to other ethnicities, or nations.

However, if you wish to follow Asatru I suppose that you are as free and right (or wrong) to do so as if you wanted to follow Islam, or Buddhism as Gere suggested.

Not that I do not think that each of those mentioned choices do not have implications. One such implication would be that you would be rejecting (and alienating yourself of) your ethnic group. Which in turn it has other implications.. like that you become an ethnic pariah.

[legionarius legxiii]

Understood...So I should put down "italian"? isn't a nationality? Your profile states Celto-iberian...My mother is from Austrian decent, would I put down Italic/germanic?

[Susi]

Well I guess I should say something on this topic.

Odinism and Asatru are two different words. Odinism usually implies, to me, Nordicism or something of that kind of silly nature (I assume this is the definition Ljubomir uses?). And Galaico is totally right. If you don't feel anything towards the gods, then I don't see why you should claim to be Asatru.

Ethnicity figures in, in my opinion, because the Northern and even Northwestern Europeans all have a link to Asatru culturally and spiritually.

[Menydh]

I'm more certain of what you should not write down, than of what you should.

For the vast majority of people in Europe it is clear what their ethnicity is. Even when one of the parents belong to different ethnicities, one is usually assimilated into the other.

Traditionally, this happened even at closer levels with the matrimony. The union between a man and a woman from different villages was celebrated at the bride's village. The reason for this is that the bride, once married, abandoned her family's home to enter in the home of the groom. This way she was adopted and assimilated into the groom's family and everything else around them. The children would grow in the groom's family and village. The emotional and identity link with the village from where their mother came was weaker.

The more distant the relation between the identity of the father and the mother, the more likely that this is to cause a confusion in the identity. However, this is also highly dependable on each indivual's family environment and education.