A Pagan Tale

[Alkman]

Τhe Sound Of Eight Hooves


He's running through the woods so black
A loyal servant of christ
Dogs are barking down his back
He's running for his life

He came with words of love and peace
These heathens had to be saved
He thought that he could make them see
Instead he was enslaved

In captivity he spoke of god
To all he met he preached
But when his master's patience ran out
He knew he had to flee

Tears are running down his cheeks
As he sobbign realizes
That in this land his god is weak
And today he's going to die

He stumbles out onto an open field
Where an old oak tree grows
In the branches hang men of three
Dressed in preacher robes

His knees refuse to carry him on
Terror shines in his eyes
His faith in christ is almost gone
His god's left him to die
Below the dead he says his prayers
To the god he thought was alive
When he hears a calm voice say:
"SHUT HIM UP AND HANG HIM HIGH!"

As his breath leaves his eyes open wide
A bright light comes from above
He greets this light with a smile
And thinks: "There is a God"

The sound of eight hooves reaches his ears
Comes from the heavenly light
Two wolves' howls fill his heart with fear
And he sees two ravens fly
Down from the sky a warlord rides
Like fire his one eye glows
And just before the preacher dies
He knows his god is false


Amon Amarth




Last part is about Odin of course

[Milesian]

A poem about killing Christians and devoted to Odin, posted by a Greek?
How interesting

[Alkman]

Originally Posted by Milesian

A poem devoted to Odin, posted by a Greek?

I show respect to every indigenous religion.
Plus,i found this in a Hellenic site, labeled as "Pagan Hymn"

Originally Posted by Milesian

A poem about killing Christians.How interesting

It would make more sense if the way that the preacher tried to convert them in Christianity was described in the poem as well.

Anyway,it's not my intension to start a flame war based on a fictional incident

[Milesian]

Originally Posted by Alkman

I show respect to every indigenous religion.
Plus,i found this in a Hellenic site, labeled as "Pagan Hymn"

Well Christianity has been around for a couple of thousand years.
Does that qualify?

It would make more sense if the way that the preacher tried to convert them in Christianity was described in the poem as well.

By chasing pagans down with dogs and hanging them from trees?
Perhaps, although I can't think of such an incident. I imagine a large number converted freely and willingly.

Anyway,it's not my intension to start a flame war based on a fictional incident

Fair enough, it's not my intention to post fictional poems about gleefully killing pagans either

[Perun]

I must say this is a very low-grade poem. It really shouldnt have been posted in the first place and I hope the pagans here have enough class not to post similar material in the future.

But as Alkman admitted, its pure fiction. The German pagans were actually quite tolerant of Christianity and many accepted Christ as one of their gods. St. Boniface, "the Apostle of Germany", wrote about how Christians and pagans coexisted and how pagan priests would bless Christian ceremonines etc. The Vikings were certainly not anti-Christian, even though they pillaged monastaries. But those actions has no real ideological basis behind them.

Even the Saxons were not staunch anti-Christians, in fact Charlamenge's campaign was largely the latest in many attempts by the Franks to subdue the Saxons. The fact the Saxons were pagans were just an added bonus to Charlamenge(since in previous conflicts both Franks and Saxons were pagan). Yet many of his policies towards the Saxons were harshly criticised by many of the most influential theologians in Europe, and over-time had some influence in lessening the repressive measures put on the Saxons.

The obsession with anti-Christianity found among neo-pagans simply would not have made sense to the original pagansm.

[Timo]

It is true that the ancient heathens weren't anti-christian, perun. However, it is true that many a heathen was converted by the sword. In ancient times when ones landlord or chieftan converted the whole tribe or people under his comand (serfs, etc) were also made to do so. This has it's pennicle in Norway when "Saint" Olaf butchered heathens who chose to honour the old ways rather than give them up.

http://www.asatru.de/e107/content.php?article.148

[Wodens-Chosen]

Originally Posted by Alkman

Τhe Sound Of Eight Hooves


He's running through the woods so black
A loyal servant of christ
Dogs are barking down his back
He's running for his life

He came with words of love and peace
These heathens had to be saved
He thought that he could make them see
Instead he was enslaved

In captivity he spoke of god
To all he met he preached
But when his master's patience ran out
He knew he had to flee

Tears are running down his cheeks
As he sobbign realizes
That in this land his god is weak
And today he's going to die

He stumbles out onto an open field
Where an old oak tree grows
In the branches hang men of three
Dressed in preacher robes

His knees refuse to carry him on
Terror shines in his eyes
His faith in christ is almost gone
His god's left him to die
Below the dead he says his prayers
To the god he thought was alive
When he hears a calm voice say:
"SHUT HIM UP AND HANG HIM HIGH!"

As his breath leaves his eyes open wide
A bright light comes from above
He greets this light with a smile
And thinks: "There is a God"

The sound of eight hooves reaches his ears
Comes from the heavenly light
Two wolves' howls fill his heart with fear
And he sees two ravens fly
Down from the sky a warlord rides
Like fire his one eye glows
And just before the preacher dies
He knows his god is false


Amon Amarth




Last part is about Odin of course

Its not a poem its a song by AMON AMARTH (thats why it has there name under it)
Its a Vikings metal band from Scandinavia.

[Wodens-Chosen]

Originally Posted by Perun

But as Alkman admitted, its pure fiction. The German pagans were actually quite tolerant of Christianity and many accepted Christ as one of their gods. St. Boniface, "the Apostle of Germany", wrote about how Christians and pagans coexisted and how pagan priests would bless Christian ceremonines etc. The Vikings were certainly not anti-Christian, even though they pillaged monastaries. But those actions has no real ideological basis behind them.

Even the Saxons were not staunch anti-Christians, in fact Charlamenge's campaign was largely the latest in many attempts by the Franks to subdue the Saxons. The fact the Saxons were pagans were just an added bonus to Charlamenge(since in previous conflicts both Franks and Saxons were pagan). Yet many of his policies towards the Saxons were harshly criticised by many of the most influential theologians in Europe, and over-time had some influence in lessening the repressive measures put on the Saxons.

The obsession with anti-Christianity found among neo-pagans simply would not have made sense to the original pagansm.

I see some people are saying that only the neo pagans are anti-Christians,and that wouldn't make sense to the original Pagans.Well neo Pagans are more anti christian because they destroyed our temples and put churches on top of them.They also forcibly converted many people,killed many pagans and tried to wipe their culture and religion off of the earth.

So ask yourself if someone came and occupied where you lived and destroyed your places of worship(and overall religion and culture) and made you "convert" how would you feel about them?

While i don't "hate" christians i can see why some pagans hold some feelings against them

(plus the original pagans wouldn't of knew who christians were, as christianity and judaism are newer religions on the scheme of things)

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

This bad song probably comes from the same tradition, from which comes also this guy:

[Sergius]

At least Burzum made better music than Amon Amarth.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Wodens-Chosen

Well neo Pagans are more anti christian because they destroyed our temples and put churches on top of them.

They also forcibly converted many people,killed many pagans and tried to wipe their culture and religion off of the earth.

So ask yourself if someone came and occupied where you lived and destroyed your places of worship(and overall religion and culture) and made you "convert" how would you feel about them?

Here we have, again, the Disney World of the Pagans.

(plus the original pagans wouldn't of knew who christians were, as christianity and judaism are newer religions on the scheme of things)

Yes, and you as a Chosenite have the knowledge of ancient and arcane beliefs. Live from American and the such.. most entertaining, but it gets uninteresting past the introduction.

[Susi]

Wodens-Chosen, you have officially made my eye twitch.

Originally Posted by Wodens-Chosen

I see some people are saying that only the neo pagans are anti-Christians,and that wouldn't make sense to the original Pagans.

And that argument is still irrelevant. It doesn't have a point.

Well neo Pagans are more anti christian because they destroyed our temples and put churches on top of them. They also forcibly converted many people,killed many pagans and tried to wipe their culture and religion off of the earth.

Wah, wah, wah. Cry me a river. Seriously. Stop living in the past. I know that "our forefathers" if we can call them that all died and what have you.. but think about it... if they all were killed by Christians who did we descend from...? The ones who converted, obviously...

I am sick and effing tired of hearing Asatruar, especially Asatru men, whining their faces off about how the Christians did this and that. Be a man, for gods' sakes. Stop complaining. It's a womanish thing to do

So ask yourself if someone came and occupied where you lived and destroyed your places of worship(and overall religion and culture) and made you "convert" how would you feel about them?

Well I wouldn't feel good.. but it's stupid to dwell on things that one can't change. Get over it.

We can make something good of Asatru, if we stop complaining and whining about the past. Today is a new day.

While i don't "hate" christians i can see why some pagans hold some feelings against them

You don't "hate" them.. obviously..

(plus the original pagans wouldn't of knew who christians were, as christianity and judaism are newer religions on the scheme of things)

Ummmm... You know the Romans? Yeah? You know how ancient they were and all? Well there were Jews back then too... Germanics (at least in written record)? Not so much.

"Newer".. sure. If we go by the Christian "creation" or what have you, it is the oldest religion. It is all in perspectives..

In conclusion, Wodens-Chosen, you have made me upset. Please refrain from being so ridiculous in the future. Respect others.

[Strengthandhonour]

What I don't get is that some "pagans" claim to be all about war spirit and what not..but also complain about the savagery of the christians and how they got converted by them.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

What I don't get is that some "pagans" claim to be all about war spirit and what not..but also complain about the savagery of the christians and how they got converted by them.

Anyway is not the religion/ideology what makes hurt in most of cases, but how men use them and how they distort and interpret at their convenience.

Man is mischeavus by nature and harm has been made by men of all races and religions and political trend.

So if now some people will begin to point to what christian did in the past but close the eyes or deliberately ignore what attrocities comitted people from other religions, that would become as pointless and senseless as all the Worldwide anti-white Propagandacurrently running.

[Freebooter]

I actually like a number of their songs. Many of them have a very powerful sound and Johan Hegg's voice is unmistakable. Another song, 'Masters of War':

STRIKE!
Fast and hard, show no mercy for these men
The vermin of christ, prophets of lies and their disciples
Seek them out, hunt them down
Break their spirits, crush their hearts
Not even death will set them free from this pain

CHARGE!
Ride them down as they flee from our steel
Draw their blood, make them suffer
Before they die by war-field sacrifice
Wipe them out! Burn their homes and fields
Feed the wolves with their offspring, annihilate them all!

Masters of War, torment every soul
Rape every whore that carries the cross

FIRE!
Burn them all, burn them alive
Send their souls to Deathqueen's hall
To the land of cold burning flames
Send them to the land of famine and despair
Eternally they will starve and freeze

It's a reccuring theme with Amon Amarth songs. Some aren't as bad as others, but I'd rate the one above as being one of the worst with regards to the anti-Christian sentiments.

I also have a copy of the Wrath of Norsemen DVD which features video footage of a live Amon Amarth concert. I don't recall at which point of the concert it occurred, but Johan Hegg takes a crack at the Pope as well.

Not that I care, of course. People can think of Christianity what they like, but despite the fact that I may enjoy Amon Amarth's music, there are certain things I find extremely distasteful about the band.