[split of an old post of mine, which answered two different posts of Valgeir, which have been split on two threads.
The part split is here.]
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Originally Posted by Valgeir
Yes i think this is interesting -point 2: the multicultic reasoning and structuring.
And its very different when it comes to the different groups. The socialists tend to lean to moralism, solidarity and pity in a blind blend, while the liberalists, or i would rather say the neocons or the neoliberalists sets up economic structures which makes masses migrate.
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Liberals will use the same arguments as Socialists if they have to defend their pro-immigrationist stands. Even when the true reasons behind their pro-immigrationism is to make the labour market more flexible.
One thing that nationalist and nationalist-like peoples fail to see here is also that social class can be seen as thicker than blood. This is something that should not be ignored. It works both in the upper and the lower classes.
A quick lesson that I would draw from it is how easy can be for the others to unite under a common cause and, at the same time, how easy for nationalist minded people to be divided. A reason more than good to argue for an evolution in nationalism. What we don't compromise today in the right direction maybe what we will have to compromise tomorrow in the wrong direction.
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Due to the climate around on diverse boards, its terribly difficult to even get into these points and always impossible to get to the point of discussing political solutions.
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This is a reason why Stirpes was created in the first place. However ... ... however I let the past stay on and mark the rythm, instead of breaking with it and moving forward to a complete new start.
I've come to a point of scepticism on if this could ever work.
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