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Originally Posted by svin
Ateney is ok, even considering the fact that they are anti-Christian to some degree. But they are underground unlike already mentioned DPNI (movement against illegal immigration).
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Ateney is not a party like DPNI, but a group of intellectuals and thinkers.
In my opinion, the anti-Christian stance and the neo-Pagan quest of Ateney and the Identitarians is a sign of confusion in their quest to define an European identity. Precisely because such an identity is not as real as they would like it to be, and they see the need to build it. Their mistake there is that identities cannot be built upon shaky foundations.
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It's way too idealistic view. We have even more problems, like povetry, alcoholism, immigration... We almost don't have middle class, either people are very rich or very poor. Comparing with Spain, where middle class is very numerous (like 70-80% of total population?)
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Not that large, but certainly one heritage left by Franco's regime was a large middle class. But this middle class has been falling from its status in the last decades, and the gap between the poor and the rich has increased much, especially in the last years of Socialism. It still exists, but mostly as a witness of the past.
Also, notice that the middle class is not likely to provide the source of support for a Nationalist movement. For a Patriotic one, yes. That is unless their status and purchasing power falls significantly.
Incidentally, I noticed some of this in a rally against the highly polemical decision of the Government to free a terrorist, in a blind process to surrender to terrorism, where you over 2 million people attended to reaffirm their patriotism. I would say that the vast majority there were middle class people. However, they are a Social-Conservative mass that is capitalized by a Libera/Neo-Conservative party. The glories of the bi-polirisation of politics into just two alternative parties.
In terms of immigration and of ethnic preservation, one may be worse than the other but that doesn't mean that any of them are good.
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