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Old Thursday, March 8th, 2007
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Default Re: Against Arthur Kemp’s “March of the Titans: The History of the White Race”

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For good or for worse, things are many times as simple as adding 1 + 1. In this case, it wasn't a matter of one group believing that they were better than the other, although that sentiment did exist at different levels.

First and foremost it was a problem with a clash of different religions, different cultures, different social views..
Naturally. That is where those sorts of sentiments spark from. I never disagreed with that. I just jumped to the conclusion without having to highlight that, because I assumed that you - and many on here - already knew or could figure this out for themselves. Did I assume too much or something?

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This is what the thread is about. White nationalism happens to be the rat's nest from where it has grown out, particularly SF. And so has from Anglo-Saxon British racism, BNP.
I won't deny certain WN involvement in such works of Nordicism. It's nothing that I agree with and there are a great many White Nationalists that strongly stand against Nordicism; in my country and many others.

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If you speak of your "nation" as an American on SF or other sites, it will work. But here, if you speak of "your nation" as an American, then people are free to believe that you are a Navajo, a Cherokee, or some other Indian Nation. What makes Navajos, Cherokees and other Native Americans, a nations, is their ethnic homogeneity. Ethnic does not equal racial, which is what White is supposed to mean, albeit loosely..
Well, that in itself is debatable. Some pretty groundbreaking work has been done lately that suggests a Caucasoid Native element having inhabited this continent before the Mongoloid migration occurred. I saw a special on this not too long ago. I understand that's irrelevant to your point, but I thought it was interesting.

Anyway, I would assume that people on this forum know that the United States is inhabited by a European majority (though that is likely debatable in this day and age). Especially when certain posters here have a fetish for bashing them. Even more so if you take into account that North American Indians are an endangered species and the majority of those particular tribes are extinct.

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I have explained clearly what the objection to such an use of the word nation is. The objection is the relativisation of concepts which are not relative. It is, as you might realize, not a small thing..
I got that the first time you told me this.

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Intelectually speaking, I don't think that I am generalizing at all. All you have to do is to visit Stormfront or VNN forums, or reading WN "literature".
Well, I don't go on VNN and I have occasionally visited Stormfront. I admit that there are indeed a lot of ignoramuses that frequently post on there. Though your assumption that they are all nothing more than a bunch of incestuous rednecks is far fetched and patently untrue in most instances. There also are some intelligent individuals that post on there as well; whose views on many issues do not differ significantly from your own. If you don't believe me I suggest you see for yourself. It might increase membership on here. Though, if you take the same patronizing approach you seem to have with me, that might not work. If you are genuinely interested in turning people onto your beliefs then perhaps you would abstain from such.

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Do you see any of that in here?..
Of course not. That is why I said I would base it on a whim rather than any physical evidence. It's not too different from what you do when you imply that all White Nationalists fit the Jerry Springer Show stereotype most you Europeans believe they do.

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All Americans? Well, I'm not concerned with all Americans. I suppose that there will be some better and some worse. For American standards, that is.
Standards you would be vaguely familiar with, I'm sure. But essentially you're right. The same logic could also be applied to Europeans I'm sure. I seriously doubt Europe is inhabited by a collective group of prodigies.

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You might be a very nice person, I'm almost sure. Even nicer if you didn't use the flag of The Spains with the Yankee cloth. (hint! ) However, exceptions don't make the rule.
Yeah I get it. A Spanish-American, who just so happens to live in Florida, has no right to take pride in both the history of his people or state correct? Also, I did not construct this forum. The "Yankee cloth" came automatically when I entered my location in my profile.

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You will have to adjust your percentages then.
If it gets to the point where any actual percentages on such a thing would surface. But, as I previously mentioned, I personally find it far more of a British/Australian/South African phenomenon than an American one.

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You can't accuse me of being frivolous at it, more so when I have rationalised all of my critiques so far.
I don't see how when many of your attacks can encompass innocent bystanders that have nothing to do with what you are initially addressing.

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So, it is a statement to return La Florida to Spain? If so, make it Las Floridas. I might want California too.
I'm not following your logic here. Yes, it was a flag during the Spanish occupancy of this state, thus it is recognized as a legitimate symbol of its history. So much that in 1900 a group of guys decided to use it as the basis of the current state flag. This tradition is applied, in many instances, throughout the United States. So much that many states retain their Spanish names (to varying degrees); we celebrate Columbus Day, etc. It's crazy that we evil Americans would do such I know.

This particular flag (as my avatar) still flies in many areas (albeit Historic districts) of this state. Take a trip over to former Spanish colony, St. Augustine sometime. It's all over the place.

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Imperial, not colonial. They were "provincias de ultramar", not colonies.
Same difference. To most English speakers we would call such establishments colonies, unless of course, they were independent; which they weren't at the time.

Last edited by Celtica; Thursday, March 8th, 2007 at 05:51.
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