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Originally Posted by Susi

The only problem is that the world will suffer from overpopulation, not underpopulation. Sure, this is good for European countries. But not so much for the rest of the world.

Overpopulation in many cases over exagerrated. The United States can support over a billion more people and Canada can support at least dozens of million more. In South America most populations are concentrated along the coast. Some regions of Africa and Asia can support more people, just not the desert regions. The only thing that is needed to decrease the effects of the rising population is better farming technology as farms are inefficient in almost all regions of the world. Australia can also support a lot more people.

Originally Posted by Susi

Should be for more than a certain amount of children.

True. It should be for three children or more since the rate of replacement is 2.1 children

Originally Posted by Susi

You sure about that? It could get costly... what about subsidizing rather than financing the whole thing?

I see your point. How about just giving them free land and subsidizing a part of the cost. I doubt people would want the government to finance their entire house since it would likely not be to their liking (government would want least amount of cost, hence it would be just basic housing and not in prime areas).

Originally Posted by Susi

So what does this mean for birth control, morning after bills, condoms, et cetera? People do have sex for things other than to have children, whether you like it or not, and the science is there to stop them from even having a point of conception. (What exactly do you mean by this "Point of conception?)

True. But when I talk about birth control I mean anything that is not naturally occuring and the pills, chemicals used in needled and patches all use synthetic chemicals. I have nothing against condoms since some researchers have said that they have existed since Roman times. If people want to have sex with out getting pregnant their are operations for that (mind you i believe they should be limited to people who've already had children) and their are certain plants/herbal remedies people can take that are naturally occuring (and I wouldn't ban them for they are synthetic) that can be used instead of some birth control methods (and none due what the morning after pill does).

Point of conception - the point of fertilization.

Originally Posted by Susi

Abortions should not be totally illegal. If a woman is raped, then she should be allowed to have one in the case of having a child.

I see the logic in that case and when the parent is physically or mentally unfit. But I am still against it, i don't see why the unborn child should be punished with death for something it did not do. I believe women who get raped and give birth should recieve larger incentives and subsidies because it is not usually their fault that they got pregnant.

Originally Posted by Susi

Bad idea. Totally. You will have rampant sexually transmitted diseases. And way too many children.

Not every lunatic should have children, there should be laws making it easier to take children away from unfit parents.

It could decrease std's because if the chance of getting pregnant is increased and abortions are illegal it means that people will be less promiscous and if they are less promiscous there will be fewer STD's.

In regards to quality, not quantity. Qualitt is not a trate that can be passed on but it is there surroundings. The great Maradona was not a quality person but he's childrren were. While pele (people say) was a quality person who had a large quantity of children and they all became horrible people.

Originally Posted by Susi

Well isn't that great for the woman. What if she cannot physically have any children? What if she can't afford to have three children?

Obviously some exceptions to the rule will exist. So long as they didn't do something purposefully to their body to prevent them from having children.

Originally Posted by Susi

From what age?

Possibly 25. But i'd prefer 30, my inspiration for the age of 30 is the fact that the Ancient Athenians had a law that under which any man who was not married by the age of 30 would lose his rights to citizenship.

It should be a bachelor tax from the age of 25 and loss of citizenship if they are unmarried by the age of 30.

Originally Posted by Susi

Starting to go a little too far. Excuse me, but if I am pregnant, I want to go on a little vacation to get away from the stresses of everyday life. Damned men and their unsympatheticness. They have no idea what it is like to be a woman, that is the problem.

Though I agree regarding the abortions thing.

It's about to a certain month. most countries have laws allowing abortions about to a certain date. so it would be certain countries at certain times.

Originally Posted by Susi

Abortion ship?!

Yes. It's a dutch ship that goes harbours of shore just beyond international waters and then brings on aboard pregnant women and gives them abortions. It does this in countries where abortions are illegal or restrictive. It's operated by the Dutch NGO Women on Waves. Women on Waves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Susi

Kind of hard to see if they are using condoms, firstly. And with birth control-- they could just be pregnant, it is the same hormones. I don't see why you are so against birth control. I think it is effective in reducing the amount of abortions. If there is no "point of conception", there can be no ball of cells, ergo, no abortion.

Banning condoms is just ludicrous. They've existed since the time of the romans. The only thing you could do to ban condoms is ban laytex and other petrochemical derivatives but it makes no sense since they could do what people allergice to laytex use.

If they're really that desperate to not get pregnnat they could use naturally occuring plants/herbal remedies. Since it;s actually possible to test if hormones are natural or are the by product of something else (i.e. birth control).

Again. i consider the point of conception to be the point the egg is fertilized.