[Aptrgangr]

Originally Posted by Theobald

Of course the Europeans themselves are the main responsibles for Europe's decline. I do not blame everything on America and Israel like you said (actually I do not blame anything on Israel in this matter). But American policies and cultural Americanisation of Europe were also important factors.

I see. But it is the Europeans craving for American "life-style" and products. Someone hardly can blame Americans for European decadence. I agree, American policy is completly directed against any other interest.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Of course we should first target our own regimes and get rid of Islam at home. But in this thread we were dealing with a hypothetical future, in which Europe is free of foreigners and ruled by nationalists and in which our main concern is our external security. And I was merely explaining what would be my ideal European foreign policy in this situation. I did not state that the destruction of Israel would solve all our problems...

Facts, fictions and likelihoods. The problem I saw in your post was the idea someone could ally with Islam in order to pursue own interests. The USA/West tried this before, and the result was, in the eyes of USA/West, a catastrophy.

Originally Posted by Theobald

There were no Black people in France proper before 1945. Or insignificant numbers. Therefore there could not have been any intermixing in France before 1945.
[...] Your point is just wrong and - I guess - has been influenced by NS propaganda.

Unfortunately no sources apart of NS sources are available. Fact remains the large ammount of French colonial soldiers on French soil caused much intermixing.

Originally Posted by Theobald

By the way, on the other hand you can see in ex-French Algeria an example of an Apartheid-like segregationnist colony.

Colonialists usually are more racist.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Tell this to the Serbs.

Well, the Serbs did in the past what we are doing now: sitting idle and watch foreigners breeding in masses on our soil.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Do you seriously think that nationalist failures in Europe are only linked with their opinions about the Middle-East ? Is this a joke ? Nationalists cannot succeed in Europe merely because they are often a bunch of inefficient people.

Sympathy rallies for retarded 3rd world dictators and dictatorships are part of this inefficiency. At least here in Germany and in France many NS/nationalists made intensive propaganda for Islamic states and organizations, it caused much more harm to the national movement than you imagine.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Ever thought about the fact that France owns nuclear weapons as well ?

I am well aware.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Ever thought about the fact that a large-scale nuclear attack on such a small country as Israel would wholly destroy it ?

Of course, but what would be left of France after Paris and some other cities have been nuked. Let's better avoid these thoughts.

Originally Posted by Theobald

If you have not, I am pretty sure that Israel strategists have.

They have, and France is considered as hostile state and possible danger.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Israel would not dare to attack another nuclear power, merely because they would not survive a nuclear attack. They do not have any strategical depth and they know it very well. That is why Israelis would do everything to prevent Iran from getting nuclear warheads, even attacking alone.

Why should any Middle Eastern state nuke Israel? This is unlikely, since the territory of Israel is claimed for the Palestinians.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Anyway I did not say that Europe should militarily do anything against Israel. Therefore your comment is just... pointless.

Originally Posted by Theobald

Since Israel is in its very nature an American stronghold, the destruction of the Zionist State is a necessity.

Tell me, what conclusions should someone draw after reading this?

Originally Posted by Theobald

And so what ? Germany allied the Ottomans because of strategical common interests. Just like France did earlier. Where the hell is the difference ?

The French alliance was made to gain superiority over Occidental Europe.

Originally Posted by Theobald

I have never understood why many European nationalists are so eager to point the finger at France while in the same time Germany is forgiven for everything.

Germany is not forgiven everything, just ask a Pole or Russian. Why this many point their finger on France is the French hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Theobald

When the French ally the Ottoman Empire they are a backstabbing treacherous Nation, but when the Germans do exactly the same thing they are heroes fighting for the greatness of the European civilization. Few Nations in Europe can say they never allied an anti-European power. I guess it is linked to Francophobia.

When France allied with the Ottoman Empire it was a flourishing empire, when Germany allied with them it was just a shadow of it's own - the ill man of Bosporus. I agree, both nations deserve to be criticized, but it is a difference making an alliance to occupy foreign territories like France did with Alsace and German Lorraine, or for defense reasons. No Francophobia from my side - everyone likes a

Originally Posted by Theobald

By the way, Aprtangr, if you oppose interventions against Albania, Bosnia, Turkey and Algeria, which you name "imperialistic", why did you vote for this option ?
That is not what I would call a coherent opinion.

Measures and interventions not necessarily have to be of military nature, I should have explained better. Albania; Bosnia alone are no threat. A threat could be Arab or other fighters on their soil. It would be enough to support local forces to deal with that. I think it would make more sense to cooperate with these states, in fact Muslim warriors are not too popular there. An interevention of military nature probably would chage their attitude and make them to heroes. Stability will not be achieved by serious threats towards them, and an attack on us from their side can be dealt with easily.