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Originally Posted by Susano

Seeing as "nation" is indeed a concept in general, there is not one true view on it.

It is nothing general. The way you use it is a perversion.

It originates in Latin natio and builds up from there:

nātĭo , ōnis, f. [nascor] ,

I. Personified, Natio, the goddess of birth: Natio quoque dea putanda est, quae, quia partus matronarum tueatur, a nascentibus Natio nominata est, Cic. N. D. 3, 18, 47 (al. Nascio).--

II. A breed, stock, kind, species, race (rare but class.; syn.: genus, stirps, familia): in hominibus emendis si natione alter est melior, emimus pluris, etc., Varr. L. L. 9, § 93 Müll.; Auct. B. Alex. 7, 3: natio optimatium, Cic. Sest. 44, 96 : officiosissima candidatorum, id. Pis. 23, 55 .--Also in a contemptuous sense, a race, tribe, set: salvete, fures maritimi, Famelica hominum natio, quid agitis? Plaut. Rud. 2, 2, 6 : vestra natio (Epicureorum), Cic. N. D. 2, 29, 74 : ardelionum, Phaedr. 2, 5, 1 .--Of animals: praegnantes opere levant: venter enim labore nationem reddit deteriorem, Varr. R. R. 2, 6, 4 ; cf. id. L. L. 9, § 92 Müll.; and: in pecoribus quoque bonus proventus feturae bona natio dicitur, Paul. ex Fest. p. 167 Müll.--Transf., of things, a sort, kind (post-Aug.): nationes in apium naturā diximus, Plin. 22, 24, 50, § 109 : cera natione Pontica, id. 21, 14, 49, § 83 ; cf. id. 12, 25, 55, § 125.--

B. In a more restricted sense, a race of people, nation, people (used commonly in a more limited sense than gens, and sometimes as identical with it; cf.: gens, populus; usually applied by Cicero to distant and barbarous people): nam itast haec hominum natio; in Epidamniis Voluptarii, etc., Plaut. Men. 2, 1, 34 : omnes nationes servitutem ferre possunt: nostra civitas non potest, Cic. Phil. 10, 10, 20 ; cf.: exteris nationibus ac gentibus ostendere, etc., id. Font. 11, 25 : ne nationes quidem et gentes, id. N. D. 3, 39, 93 ; cf., in the reverse order: omnes exterae gentes ac nationes, id. Imp. Pomp. 11, 31 : per omnes gentes nationesque, Quint. 11, 3, 87 : eruditissima Graecorum natio, Cic. de Or. 2, 4, 18 : Judaei et Syri, nationes natae servituti, id. Prov. Cons. 5, 10 : immanes ac barbarae nationes, id. Q. Fr. 1, 1, 9, § 27 : quod eas quoque nationes adire volebat, Caes. B. G. 3, 7 : Suevi majorem Germaniae partem obtinent, propriis adhuc nationibus nominibusque discreti, Tac. G. 38 : Gannascus, natione Canninefas, id. A. 11, 18 : patre Camissare, natione Care, matre Scythissā natus, Nep. Dat. 1, 1 : NATIONE CILIX, Inscr. Fabr. p. 495 , n. 189; so in connection with names of cities: NATIONE ARRETIO, Inscr. Don. cl. 6, n. 181.--

When such perversions of concepts are accepted, anything can be expected. A family can be anything of your interest and under a perverted form you believe to have a right in families to which you do not belong. The concept of justice can be perverted to fit your interests in such a way that it justifies murder. And so on.

It is, in short, a lie. You don't build nations with lies as foundations. The foundations have to be strong for a nation to be: they must be real.

It is incidental that I've seen other Germans stretching the concept of nation to also pervert it to fit them. Namely the nazis.