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Originally Posted by vascongado

Oks, you're right. Sorry !

Originally Posted by vascongado

Yes. But the Catholic Church was anti-NS because German Catholics supported to his own political party (Conservative and Catholic).

Again no. Neither the Catholic church nor the Protestants were anti-NS in general. After all parties except NSDAP were outlawed many Christians joined NSDAP. There was a clerical resistance, without a doubt, but in fact most tried to cooperate. Hitler did not allow many of his high-ranking ministers like Goebebls to leave church.

Originally Posted by vascongado

Yes. But I think the Kulturkampf was one of the first national movements in Germany. About the Protestant supremacism, yes, it's true, Von Bismarck was a terrible anticatholic (he was a good junker ).

I am not sure Kulturkampf was a national movement. I was started to fight Socialdemocrats and to make the central government in Berlin stronger. This Kulturkampf was even inpopular with Protestants from the southern part of Germany since they feared territorries like Württemberg, Baden or Alsace etc. could just be treated like Prussian colonies. Lorraine and Alsace e.g. in fact were treated like colonies...

Originally Posted by vascongado

Uhm... It sounds to protestant churches, not Catholic, not?

The so-called Catholic left has much influence here, so I must disappoint you, not only Protestants show liberal tendencies. My ancestors e.g. were more or less fundamentalistic Protestants, they considered Catholics as easy-goers.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That was true in the [South] West with the Catholic Church and in the [North and South] East with the Orthodox Churches.

You probably won't believe it, but a small number of Protestants also is proud they have ancestors that fought against Turks.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The point is correct with the exception of the Traditionalist Catholic.

Roman-Catholics, Yes. But those Traditionalist Roman Catholics even lost their influence in their strongholds in southern Europe - I do not need to tell you that.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I, for one, would be interested in hearing your thoughts about it, even if you are still unsure.

Well, I never hide my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

To me, it is beyond belief that Germans are unable to define their nation and to develop a high nationalist ideal without Hitler and his National Socialism. It is as if there was no nation before Hitler and there cannot be a nation after him. Nationalism in Germany seems to be stagnated.

It seems it is not possible to develop this high ideal! After NPD rallies along with Muslims and more and more gives in to leftwing-NS Germany will remain without a mentionable rightwing movement/political party. Regarding to Germany's nationalism - it is the less devoloped country in Europe in this matter I would say.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

P.S. By the way.. Occidental soil? Been exposed to some Anglo-American influenced group/forum lately?

I know what you want to say - I often use the word "Occidental" because everyone knows what is meant and I want to avoid to type something like Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Serbia, the Italian States etc.