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Default Re: Which kind of Nationalism do you favour the most?

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Originally Posted by Português
Your bias against fellow europeans is even more execrable then the one expressed by the irishman.
You mean me, right? "Milesian" is at least as easy to type as "irishman", you know

What bias, anyway?
If tens of thousands of Chinese immigrants flood my country and take jobs from the native people, do I have a right to be upset?

Does it make any difference if they are Japanese? Indian? Turkish? Polish? German? Spanish? Danish? Are the last four groups ok because they fit in with some definition of "White" or "European"? Are you going to tell the 500 Irish Ferries workers that it's ok they lost their jobs due to cheap immigrant labour because white Europeans got their jobs? Do you want to tell their families too? What about the people in the Gaeltacht struggling to keep the Irish language alive while the country is being swamped by so many "fellow Europeans" that they are proposing road signs now to be in another European language as opposed to the native Irish language? We shouldn't be concerned about any of this?

For the record, I don't have a bias against any of those nationalities I just mentioned, including the non-European ones.

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You should form a club,
Yes, a club for realists & the certified sane. Good idea.
You won't be joining, I assume, as you will still be fantasising over your European Imperium?

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but you should have to be carefull, since you are from different europena stock and something bad could happen as history tell us when two blind nationalists meet.
There seems to exist only extremes in your mind.

1) On the one hand, we can either all give up our ethnic identities to join your fantastic Imperium where we can all pretend to be the same "Europeans"
We'll also pretend we understand each others languages, customs, like each others food, understand each other's history, etc

2) Or.....we are all maniacal chauvinists who hate every nationality that isn't our own and would as soon as kill a foreigner as look at them

I suppose the reality has thus escaped you :- that we are proud of our people, land, history, and ethnic identities. We desire to preserve them as something precious. We also maintain friendly relations with neighbouring peoples and co-operate, trade, etc with them
I cannot speak for you, but this scenario seems much more sane and healthy to me.

I greatly admire some other European cultures. It doesn't mean I want to give up my own ethnic identity, ask them to give up theirs, and pretend we are now the same people in some artifical, continent-wide empire. That's utter madness.

I hope that if you do not agree with me now, then you eventually come round to that view.

No hard feelings
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