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Originally Posted by Wilkolak
Right, and these politics don't stem from Nationalism perhaps? You just said in the last sentence!
So the problem is because of Nationalism (ie. Irish people want to be free, live in their own land, control their own destinies, preserve their ancient language, culture, etc)?

I suppose that's one way to look at it. My view is that it is not Nationalism, but British Imperialism that is the problem. The desire to expand one's influence, impose one's language, culture, rule over another people by force.
Don't you agree that is more of a problem? That Imperialism is the aggressor?
Why should the desire of a people to be themseves and be left alone & free from foreign interference constitute a problem?


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Racialism, for example, would be one way for any kind of unity amongst Europeans, because obviously Nationalism, Language and Religion does not work.
Racialism would be a method for unity amongst Europeans?
For a start I don't want unity with Europeans. Friendship - yes. Cooperation - yes. Unity - no. I am not "European". I am a European. But I am also Irish. I have far more in common with an Irishman than a Ukranian. That doesn't mean I have anything against Ukranians, it is just reality.
In any case, Racialism wouldn't limit us to European unity. The race we belong to (Caucasian race) includes people from the Middle East and as far away as Northern India. Let's be clear that "White" is not a race. It is a socio-political construct. Good luck in trying to find agreement amongst White Nationalists over who is and isn't white. The Irish weren't even considered "white" until the last century despite the fact that geneticaly they are descended from the earliest European inhabitants.
For some "white" means a WASP. For others it means only Northen Europeans with nordic features. For others it means only Western Europeans. For others, Southern Europeans aren't allowed. Some include arabs in it. Unlike Caucasian, "white" doesn't have a scientific basis which is why it means different things to different people.

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Unless of course you believe every European nation should be on its own terms, then whatever.
Of course I do. I believe in self-determination for each and every distinct people. Multiculturalism (whether it is racialist or not) is anathema to me.


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Neither would I, hehehe, no to all your questions. But then again I never claimed any of them to be some kind of redeeming force anyway...
Then what is your solution then? Pan-European Multiculturalism?


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There were, yes, but not on the grounds of religion. Then it was about land and belief in the clan/tribe/rod (in Slavic). Even just the idea of fighting and dying for glory was a driving force to war then!
In other words, people will fight and be in conflict over just about anything.
Isn't it more sensible then to accept that conflict will arise whatever happens rather than trying to eliminate anything which might be a cause?

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But not religion... the key is to find something common among us so there would not be conflict of any sort.
That is exactly what multiculturalism tries to do. It removes borders, it removes any sense of national, cultural or ethnic identity. It even pretends that Race doesn't exist. All to make us believe that everyone has something in common. Unfortunately, by the time they strip away all the differences between us we end up with nothing left. I propose a radical alternative - that instead of destroying our differences we decide to accept and celebrate them instead.
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