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Default Re: The Place of Religion in Nationalist Politics

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Originally Posted by Perun
Anyways, the main point is that many non-believing nationalists have supported the Church largely out of respect for its cultural contributions to the national heritage. In fact for some time I was of this persuation.
My own father subscribes to this train of thought.
Despite being a devout atheist who has been known to ridicule religion, he paradoxically bemoans the decay of society & morals that correlates with the decline in religion. In fact, despite his caustic attitude to religion he also considers it to be of central importance in a healthy society.

In other words, while he doesn't believe a word of it he still recognises the stability & wholesome benefits it gifts to society.

I believe a healthy spiritual society begets a healthy temporal one.
They are both mutually complimentary and mutually supportive of each other.
Seperating them into two seperate water-tight compartments with no bearing upon each other is simple "divide and conquer" strategy.

Isolate them, then pick them off one at a time.
It is no coincidence that the last 3 centuries have seen religion put aside from government and everyday politics (as if it were some kind of poison), then religion gradually scandalised, demonised, slandered and discredited, and now finally we can see our temporal societies teetering on the verge of collapse as well. Now that we have our new Anti-Religions of Materialism, Secularism, Cynicism and Political Correctness - who will save us from these?
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