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Old Friday, July 29th, 2005
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Default Re: Another English betrayal : Mers-el-Kebir

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Really ? I think you are talking about 1940.
Not only. For instance, what I had in mind was 1871.

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The Brits when they evacuated their forces in Dunkirk, cowardly giving up French troops ?
So they should have stayed and fight for a France that wouldn't fight ?

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The Jacobine Republicans who (unfortunately) ruled France ?
I meant the Treaty of Versailles.

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Only a nation of immigration was able to invent the formal nation-of-state, thus develop the abstruse notion that one becomes a fellow-countryman through an official act, through permission to settle in a territory. The corresponding notions of citizenship in France of 1789 and the following years are an American import, via freemasonic dealers in ideas.
I agree. Yet it happened in France and the French people seemed enraptured by it. You also had several other revolutions in the 1800s and generally French nationalism (in itself a good thing) is linked with the Republic (a very, very bad thing).

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Fellow Europeans ? Where ? There were two non-European sides, the Brits and the American rebels, we chose the Americans because of strategical interests.
British Imperialism is European. The Values of the Revolution are semitic.

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It is funny from a Romanian. Tatars and Mongols, Turks, Austrians, Hungarians, Russians, Germans, Soviets
True. However, Romanians do not think of themselves as a great power.

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Yes, England brought Europe most. Brotherwars in order to keep its influence.
So ? Those Brotherwars were GOOD. They made us all strong. Eversince they ceased we have become a mere shadow of ourselves.

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But France, Spain, Portugal or Russia probably didn't do that.
To a much lesser extent.

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Nobody, no army on earth, could've held off the Germans under the conditions that the French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land border with Germany. The English survived because they had the English Channel between them and the Wehrmacht.
I agree, BUT: France knew it had a long border. France allowed Germany to reach such an advantageous position, it allowed an obvious hostile nation to grow unchecked and was caught unprepared. France is a big country and was in a much better state than Germany in 1919. Yet it didn't learn from 1871 or 1914. The times of peace are there to prepare for war. If you don't, bad things happen, like in 1940.


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I respect England. It doesn't mean I like it though.
I never said you should. No sane Frenchman should.


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Moreover I don't see how its power "has made France grow". What a nonsense.
Did not the English invasion in the HYW led to France finally reaching a national conscience ? The wars between England and France brought out the best in each nation. They witnessed deeds of heroism on both sides. The more powerful one country got, the more the other worked to surpass it. England instilled ambition and patriotism in France, and vice-versa. They both became great powers out of this struggle. France succumbed first to leftism though (although England doesn't fare any better now).

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I tend to disagree.
England as a nation was made by a invasion from France (which was a very good thing, imo). France as a national state was made by an invasion from England, which ended the ceaseless feudal bickering among the Dukes and united people and King under one common purpose.








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