[Gil]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

@Manji


Hidden behind your screen makes it quite easy to insult anyone and say things you obviously wouldn't if we were face to face. Perhaps if we someday meet we can settle this matter in a proper way, civilized or not, but not thru flaming and insulting.

You seem to be trying to state that i'm being imature and indeed a coward who wouldn't have the same attitute in a face to face conversation. THe same applies to you, specially since you were the one starting all this mess by stating your "superiority" over other's cultures.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

So you either stop posting insults and have a mature discussion based on arguments or we just screw this topic up by posting insults towards eachother and spoil it for everyone.

I would prefer the insult-free discussion, no doubt about that.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Anyway,

As you correctly said The Maenads or Agamamnon, Ifigeneia, Medea, Jason,(to mention a few) might well have never existed as historical personnas. They are just personified symblizations on historical facts that indeed took place.

Concerning Euripides and other drama or Comedy creators, it is completely wrong and inapropriate to use theatre plays as hitorical sources. A play is just a play, it servers the need of learning together with entertainment. The most accurate sources are the myths themselves. Your example, is equivalent to being a historian of he 41st century and study history of our times bases upon comedy shows.

Well, I can give you other examples of "man to man love" (as it is translated from greek to english) specially in the works of Plutarch, Xenophon and Plato, I did use the above play because it referenced the myth of the maenads, which is infact a myth but based on reality (as all myths are).

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Now let's continue with this joke

Obviously you are the one making the sarcastic comments, not me.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

You obviously lack knowledge of the real facts, which is quite common among those that have studied Hellinic history abroad. I suggest you take advantage of this opportunity and learn the real version.

Funny how "hellenic" history has been studied and researched for centuries by non-greeks and you immediately state that the out-of-greece curriculae are wrong.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

This homo theory began by Walter Pater (1890's a poet and tutor) he and his band of homos originally began this fiasco theory in Oxford.
We find them introducing a totally new "theory" that Platonic Love has nothing to do with "phyche" but is totally based on phisical attraction.

Later we find a list of wanna-be "historians" of Hellinic sexuality, see: Michel Foucault, John Boswell, John Winkler and David Halperin that were or are all HOMOS striving to make some connection between homos and Hellinism.
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I've been browsing the work of Mr A. Georgiades (Debunking the Myth of Homosexuality in Ancient Greece), published in 2002. I must say that that man, and indeed even you, might be more capable of answering the questions and debunking that what seems to be a myth, and that his study seems to be very acurate.
I've got no problem is saying that if indeed that is the case, well mate, you are right and I am wrong, the whole "hype" about Ancient Greece/homosexuality is just a construct based on erroneous assumptions and that has been lectured in schools throughout the globe. The matter of fact is that in the same way that the ancient texts might be misinterpreted than the text you pointed out (the account by Gerald of Wales) is also a text which must be looked upon as biased version (the man was a christian describing pagan acts) and even the word-by-word interpretation must be taken into account (not to mention the enourmous amouont of lies that authors in all the history of Mankind have told).

Originally Posted by Nemesis

We could continue this if you'd like to learn more about it.

Sure mate, it's a board, it's supposed to be all about learning/talking. My point initially was that you shouldn't attack other members based on their ethnicity/culture or overtly express you cultures' superiority.

Cheers