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Default Re: Your Opinion On The Macedonian Issue

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Hehe, you got me there, I cannot find independant sources, but I think you'll agree that prior to WW2 there were no evidence of other languages in FYROM other than Serbian and Bulgarian.
Well, according to the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1911), the only Slavonic nationality even mentioned in Macedonia, were Bulgarians. Here are some quotes:

Bulgaria, Volume 4, pp 772:

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The Berlin Treaty boundary was far from corresponding with the ethnological limits of the Bulgarian race, which were more accurately defined by the abrogated treaty of San Stefano. A considerable portion of Macedonia, the districts of Pirot and Vranya belonging to Servia, the northern half of the vilayet of Adrianople, and large tracts of the Dobrudja, are, according to the best and most impartial authorities, mainly inhabited by a Bulgarian population.
Bulgaria, Volume 4, pp 776-777:

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The Bulgarian inhabitants of the Peninsula beyond the limits of the principality may, perhaps, be estimated at 1,500,000 or 1,600,000, and the grand total of the race possibly reaches 5,500,000.
Slavs, Volume 25, pp 228:

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The Southern Slays, Slovenes, Serbo-Croats and Bulgarians, are cut off from the main body by the Germans of Austria proper and the Magyars, both of whom occupy soil once Slavonic, and have absorbed much Slavonic blood, and by the Rumanians of Transylvania and the Lower Danube, who represent the original Dacians romanized. These Slays occupy the main mass of the Balkan Peninsula downwards from the Julian Alps and the line of the Mura, Drava and Danube, North of this all three races have considerable settlements in southern Hungary. Their southern boundary is very ill-defined, various nationalities being closely intermingled. To the south-west the Slays march with the Albanians, to the south-east with the Turks, and to the south and along the Aegean coasts they have the Greeks as neighbors.

Although the Southern Slays fall into these three divisions, linguistically the separation is not sharp, nor does it coincide with the political frontiers. Roughly speaking, the eastern half of the peninsula is held by the Bulgarians, some 5,000,000 in number, the western half by the Serbo-Croats, of whom there must be about 8,000,000. This is the most divided of the Slavonic races; its members profess three forms of religion and use three alphabets, the Serbs and Bosnians being mostly Orthodox and using the Cyrillic alphabet, but including many Mussulmans; the Croats being Roman Catholics, writing with Latin letters; and the Dalmatians also Roman Catholics, but using, some of them, the ancient Glagolitic script for their Slavonic liturgy. The language also falls into three dialects independent of the religions, and across all these lines run the frontiers of the political divisions the kingdom of Servia (more correctly written Serbia); the kingdom of Montenegro; the Turkish provinces of Old Servia and Novibazar, still in Turkish hands; those of Bosnia and Herzegovina, annexed by Austria; the coast-line and islands of Istria and Dalmatia, which also form part of Austria; and the kingdom of Croatia, which is included in the dominion of Hungary, to say nothing of outlying colonies in Hungary itself and in Italy. In the extreme north-west, in Carniola, in the southern parts of Styria and Carinthia, and over the Italian border in the province of Udine and the Vale of Resia live the Slovenes, something under 1,500,000, much divided dialectically.
There is no mention of a "Macedonian" race, they are simply Bulgarians (given the fact that there were no "Macedonians" until 1944 should speak volumes and is proof in and of itself that they are a created 'ethnicity', just like the 'Moldovans'). Also, with regards to the statement of the Vardar region joining Greece, that's BS, especially considering the fact that the Greeks deported 670,000 Bulgarians from Western Thrace and Aegean Macedonia from 1913-1926, if anything the Bulgarians ought to have the Aegean territory between the Struma/Strimon and Tundzha-Meric rivers, considering they had lived there for ages and made up the majority of the population there before the Second Balkan War. With regards to the Vardar territory, it ought to be divided between Albania and Bulgaria with Bulgaria gaining at least 4/5 of the territory with the cities of Skopje and Ohrid.


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I fail to see your point. You might as well come from Dimitrovgrad, a town in Serbia where the majority of the population is ethnic Bulgarian.
Despite the best efforts of the Serbian Government to assimilate them. Yes, I know about the situation in Bossilegrad, Tsaribrod and to a lesser extent Pirot.


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Slav Macedonians, according to Serb geographer and ethnologist Jovan Cvijic, were a Slavic speaking mass of people without a clearly defined national consciousness.Cvijic puts the Nis region in SE Serbia & Sofia region in W Bulgaria in the same category.
He also said that they were very closely related to Serbs. Cvijic's work can't be taken any more seriously than that of the Bulgarians or Greeks of his time, for it is, like theirs, obviously biased.