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Default Re: Europe back to the europeans!

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Originally Posted by Mynydd View Post
Your micro-nationalism is no different in my opinion. Yet another means to destroy identity and sovereignty in favour of a European... alright, you don't call it 'nation' but it would be 'state'. Where is the big difference?
Dont interpret my words too quickly - I said the "so-called micro-regional nationalism (or simply identity)". I dont self-describe as that, but my critique of that terminology is that it is a perverted way of referring to prioritizing what we could describe as the local nation and identity in its differentiating qualities from the larger country-nation, and their relationship is one where the unitary nation typically dominates the local and regional identities. But that which is described thus should be corrected but its importance not neglected, because it is an important part of a healthy identity, and a stimulating part of the national identity.
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Your 'micro-identities' are often part of bigger identities, which are the nations.
Thats what I implied with "both have their place". The local nation is largely more of a regional identity. Only in some cases is it dominating over the geopolitically unified country and its national identity - this could be in regions that are in border areas, with changing participation in geopolitical unions and nation-states. In other cases, it could simply be the result of a change in identity, the creation or popularization of what we could call a national mythology.

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.. in favour of a European... alright, you don't call it 'nation' but it would be 'state'. Where is the big difference?
The difference between a European state and a European nation is large, but I dont advocate either idea.

There being a "European nation" is a ridiculous notion, unless the concept of a nation is very scarcely defined as a minimally federated and minimally mutually identified with plurality of peoples. There being exclusively one European nation does not even with work a scarce definition, it is simply an essentially fabrication and untruth.

A European state would not imply the idea of Europe consisting only of one "nation" - but it would oppose against the principle of a non-plural nation-state, which is seen by a lot of nationalists as the ideal for sovereignty. Whether that is the case is a discussion, but it in my opinion depends on the level of confederacy between the nation-state with other nation-states, that are either ideally a related people to a minimal extent, or simply pose a good ally.

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