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Default Re: Macedonians Won’t Give Up Name for NATO

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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh View Post
Okay, Hegumen, all your neighbours say: "there are some historical inaccuracies in your national myth".
So tell me, isn't it possible really having some inaccuracies?
Of course, that goes without saying. There isn't a single country whose national myths are not in some way... well, myths.

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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
As an example, I have had some doubts in the past: "May be we are wrong, may be they are really Macedonians. May be, my grandfather lied me claiming that he is Bulgarian from Macedonia and the population there was Bulgarian".

I've searched a lot of non-Bulgarian and not-Yugo info about that problem.
And finally my conclusion is: Macedonian nation descends from the Bulgarian.
If this were true, why would it matter? Our national identity is fully developed. Everything comes from something.

I believe the Exarchate accounts for Bulgarian character of Ottoman Macedonia.
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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
The albanians in Kosovo were driven to declare themselves as Shiptars, something different from the Albanians.
They are one and the same. Shqiptarët is just how they refer to themselves in Albanian.

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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
But the pressure can not be compared to what have been the Bulgarians in Eastern Macedonia through,in order to declare themselves as Macedonians.
Do you actually believe there was a Communist plot to create a brand new ethnicity? You'd be ignoring all the events and figures of the Macedonian national awakening in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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Originally Posted by Kan Yuvigi Asparukh
And my personal opinion: Of course there is Macedonian nation right now.
It's neither Bulgarian, nor Serbian. But the mythology which is it based on is absolutely ridiculous.
So? What's your beef? Do you really care that they believe something you consider ridiculous?

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What I say is: Since the forming of the Balkan nations (about 1800) till 1944, Macedonians were a part of the Bulgarian nation
Most definitely not.
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