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Originally Posted by Waarnemer

We are facing backwardness from the same source, a source that loves dead more then life - that could be a reason, the other one is just politics and strategically urging for anti Muslim sentiments.

Our backwardness was there before the hordes of Muslims immigrants. It's the result why they're here anyway. It's our own fault.

Fundamentalists within the Jewish society are in percentage much lower then in the Arab world where the population in a more then predominate manner is extreme, intolerant and fundamentalist. There is an anti Jewish propaganda machine dominating the entire Arabic world, by the means of militia, television, newspapers, religious leaders and holy books, while far, far from every Israeli is Zionistic or a religious fanatic. If the Jews wouldn’t live over there they would invent other problems and enemies, and they would just murder one another over minor theological differences, in fact they are doing so already.

Just because they're louder than Jews and more open doesn't mean much. Jews can't afford this kind of behaviour because they rely on support of the liberal and tolerant West which happens to be disgusted by such 'fundamentalism'. Still... The silent river destroys mountains (hard to translate to English).

You are underestimating our freedom. In the Arab world every aspect is defined by Islam, that is huge handicap, since Islam is also political and contains an opinion on all, there is no escaping from that. In the West you can live your life the way of your own choice, in the Middle East life is constructed in a tribal way.

Which is not all that wrong.. Who knows, I won't judge them as I said before. Their countries, their rules.

Further more there is nothing wrong with tolerance, I said it earlier that I don’t even mind migration, I mind mass migration and the lose of heritage, change and lose of culture and ground.

It's nothing wrong with it of course, but not with this 'tolerance' we are forced to live with now.

Muslims don’t tolerate woman, Muslims don’t tolerate people that hold other ideas, Muslims don't consider life to be important, Muslims don’t tolerate individuals that manage and control their own choices free from the dogma of the supernatural. You are free in the West, we have free press, politics, freedom of education, freedom of marriage and relations, in the West you will not be hanged because of individual sexual orientation, freedom of opinion, freedom of information, freedom of believes and religion, freedom for ridicule and satire, freedom of science, freedom for criticism, freedom of art, etc..

Still... There are other things that are not so tolerated by our society, you should know that too. We do have this freedoms surely (sometimes even abused), but do we, as European nations have freedoms? Speaking about my nation, it's becoming just another puppet of big powers and our national interests largely ignored. Muslims, with all the things you listed, at least don't have to fear about their culture (no matter how primitive it is to you) and their people becoming extinct.

If you don’t agree then that’s because you simplify the things, you see its not because we don’t live in a nationalistic society or whatever model you desire, that we don’t have freedom, if we don’t live in one its because the majority did choice so, if people in Western Europe vote Socialist then that doesn’t mean we don’t have freedom, it means many people hold different ideas then us, and that’s also freedom.

I simplify the things? I don't blame the majority of people for what we have now. That would be foolish. Maybe it's different in your position living in Netherlands, I don't know what situation there is, but here majority of people would hold nationalistic, patriotic beliefs. "Voting" is just another farse and it doesn't change much, who is there to vote for a nationalist? In my country, no one. I don't trust our politicians even if they consider themselves as 'nationalistic' (they aren't).

Democracy is not freedom, or at least not this kind of democracy (democracy in a way of ancient Slovenian state of Carantania had much more sense, but this is another issue), I don't think that just because majority decides we should live under this or that regime that mean freedom and fool myself that I live in "freedom" because I can go voting, and vote for some stupid politician, even though my vote doesn't change anything.