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Default Re: Italy: Muslims in Europe 'menace to peace', says ambassador

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Originally Posted by M.R.
Why is he not talking about this to his own people in Israel? Why is he adressing Europeans?
We are facing backwardness from the same source, a source that loves dead more then life - that could be a reason, the other one is just politics and strategically urging for anti Muslim sentiments.

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Arguably there won't be any Arab alive if the Jews had their opportunity. This is a conflict that has nothing to do with Europe, or at least it shouldn't have anything to do with Europe, but this Israeli ambassador obviously wants us to be on Israel's side.
Fundamentalists within the Jewish society are in percentage much lower then in the Arab world where the population in a more then predominate manner is extreme, intolerant and fundamentalist. There is an anti Jewish propaganda machine dominating the entire Arabic world, by the means of militia, television, newspapers, religious leaders and holy books, while far, far from every Israeli is Zionistic or a religious fanatic. If the Jews wouldn’t live over there they would invent other problems and enemies, and they would just murder one another over minor theological differences, in fact they are doing so already.

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I won't preach Arabic world how to live their lives in their countries and don't really bother with how they live there and how much freedom they have, but if an average European is "safer", "stronger", "more powerful" and "happier" than them, than they really must be on a low point, considering the current situation in Europe. As for being "richer", I don't consider being rich much important, and certainly I don't feel being 'tolerant' is something to be very proud of, at least not in the way of what is understood as 'tolerance' today. It's one of the things that got us in this position in the first place.
You are underestimating our freedom. In the Arab world every aspect is defined by Islam, that is huge handicap, since Islam is also political and contains an opinion on all, there is no escaping from that. In the West you can live your life the way of your own choice, in the Middle East life is constructed in a tribal way.

Further more there is nothing wrong with tolerance, I said it earlier that I don’t even mind migration, I mind mass migration and the lose of heritage, change and lose of culture and ground. Muslims don’t tolerate woman, Muslims don’t tolerate people that hold other ideas, Muslims don't consider life to be important, Muslims don’t tolerate individuals that manage and control their own choices free from the dogma of the supernatural. You are free in the West, we have free press, politics, freedom of education, freedom of marriage and relations, in the West you will not be hanged because of individual sexual orientation, freedom of opinion, freedom of information, freedom of believes and religion, freedom for ridicule and satire, freedom of science, freedom for criticism, freedom of art, etc.. If you don’t agree then that’s because you simplify the things, you see its not because we don’t live in a nationalistic society or whatever model you desire, that we don’t have freedom, if we don’t live in one its because the majority did choice so, if people in Western Europe vote Socialist then that doesn’t mean we don’t have freedom, it means many people hold different ideas then us, and that’s also freedom.
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